Tyler was impressive

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It was fun to watch Tyler play last week and I think if US had 4 more Tylers and a few years with Johan, we could actually win.

As always these are my opinions.
1. Tyler has better fundamentals than anyone on the team. He reminds me of the european robots that keep beating us. US players tend to be more run-and-gun, which is fun to watch but can't consistently beat the robots.

2. He realizes he has a lot to learn from Johan. I imagine if Johan told him to practice some trivial safety 100 times, he would without questions. I feel some of the veteran US players would think it was silly and shrug it off. You could see his game improve in the few months he has been under Johan. Just from the Russian event to this warmup.

3. I think he is capable of better shot selection than a lot of US players. We see our US players shoot shots that can get them in trouble, which happens. We will shoot some unnecessary spin position shot, or take less than desirable paths, or safety risks. Maybe risk and reward is a good way to summarize this. Its exciting to watch a spin bank draw, 3 rail position shot, but it carries more risk than we can expose and beat the robots. I think Tyler can continue to learn shot selection like we see the Euros take.

In summary, I am excited for the MC this week and probably most excited to see Tyler play. Don't get me wrong, the MC stage will likely make him play a few notches below where he did in the warmup, but I think US is on the right track. I think the US is great at creating mid-tier pros on pure talent and experience, but most of our guys don't have the desire to put that last 10% of effort on the boring, tedious training that turns them into robots that are needed to compete on the world stage. Landon and Tyler are a couple that come to mind as willing to add that other 10% of work.

Go USA.
Ian
 
It was fun to watch Tyler play last week and I think if US had 4 more Tylers and a few years with Johan, we could actually win.

As always these are my opinions.
1. Tyler has better fundamentals than anyone on the team. He reminds me of the european robots that keep beating us. US players tend to be more run-and-gun, which is fun to watch but can't consistently beat the robots.

2. He realizes he has a lot to learn from Johan. I imagine if Johan told him to practice some trivial safety 100 times, he would without questions. I feel some of the veteran US players would think it was silly and shrug it off. You could see his game improve in the few months he has been under Johan. Just from the Russian event to this warmup.

3. I think he is capable of better shot selection than a lot of US players. We see our US players shoot shots that can get them in trouble, which happens. We will shoot some unnecessary spin position shot, or take less than desirable paths, or safety risks. Maybe risk and reward is a good way to summarize this. Its exciting to watch a spin bank draw, 3 rail position shot, but it carries more risk than we can expose and beat the robots. I think Tyler can continue to learn shot selection like we see the Euros take.

In summary, I am excited for the MC this week and probably most excited to see Tyler play. Don't get me wrong, the MC stage will likely make him play a few notches below where he did in the warmup, but I think US is on the right track. I think the US is great at creating mid-tier pros on pure talent and experience, but most of our guys don't have the desire to put that last 10% of effort on the boring, tedious training that turns them into robots that are needed to compete on the world stage. Landon and Tyler are a couple that come to mind as willing to add that other 10% of work.

Go USA.
Ian

Totally agree with this (apart from the Go USA bit obviously...if you check my location ;-), but he looked very solid and I hope for the sake of the Cup its the sign of things to come!
 
It was fun to watch Tyler play last week and I think if US had 4 more Tylers and a few years with Johan, we could actually win.

As always these are my opinions.
1. Tyler has better fundamentals than anyone on the team. He reminds me of the european robots that keep beating us. US players tend to be more run-and-gun, which is fun to watch but can't consistently beat the robots.

2. He realizes he has a lot to learn from Johan. I imagine if Johan told him to practice some trivial safety 100 times, he would without questions. I feel some of the veteran US players would think it was silly and shrug it off. You could see his game improve in the few months he has been under Johan. Just from the Russian event to this warmup.

3. I think he is capable of better shot selection than a lot of US players. We see our US players shoot shots that can get them in trouble, which happens. We will shoot some unnecessary spin position shot, or take less than desirable paths, or safety risks. Maybe risk and reward is a good way to summarize this. Its exciting to watch a spin bank draw, 3 rail position shot, but it carries more risk than we can expose and beat the robots. I think Tyler can continue to learn shot selection like we see the Euros take.

In summary, I am excited for the MC this week and probably most excited to see Tyler play. Don't get me wrong, the MC stage will likely make him play a few notches below where he did in the warmup, but I think US is on the right track. I think the US is great at creating mid-tier pros on pure talent and experience, but most of our guys don't have the desire to put that last 10% of effort on the boring, tedious training that turns them into robots that are needed to compete on the world stage. Landon and Tyler are a couple that come to mind as willing to add that other 10% of work.

Go USA.
Ian

I like players with good fundamentals and strategies to win, but I also like "excitement".

Today's "robotic" games are too "sterile".

It is shoot a shot that is 99% on, or play a safe. Then, it repeats, over and over, until someone wins.

There is no excitement of the "Hail Mary" to hold my interest.

Years ago, when two-shot push-out was played, there always was something exciting going on. Players would "go for" things that today's players would never have the balls to try because the penalty of the "one-foul BIH" is too stiff.

Also, races to 5 are too short for players at this level. Winning is a crap shoot.
 
Yes, I believe if Tyler, Sky and Billy can keep improving their games and gain more valuable international experience, we may have some competitive Mosconi Cup teams in the future. I wouldn't even rule us out for an upset this year, but only if Shane can play up to his high level, which he has failed to do in previous Mosconi Cups.
 
I like players with good fundamentals and strategies to win, but I also like "excitement".

Today's "robotic" games are too "sterile".

It is shoot a shot that is 99% on, or play a safe. Then, it repeats, over and over, until someone wins.

There is no excitement of the "Hail Mary" to hold my interest.

Years ago, when two-shot push-out was played, there always was something exciting going on. Players would "go for" things that today's players would never have the balls to try because the penalty of the "one-foul BIH" is too stiff.

Also, races to 5 are too short for players at this level. Winning is a crap shoot.

I love excitement too, but that doesn't win against robots. If the cup was won by exciting play, US would always win. Unfortunately points are what determine winner. :thumbup::thumbup:
 
I love excitement too, but that doesn't win against robots. If the cup was won by exciting play, US would always win. Unfortunately points are what determine winner. :thumbup::thumbup:

That is because the "rules" favor "robots".

And, personally, I don't care who wins in these "exhibitions".

I like seeing the players when they match up for the "cash".
 
What we saw from Tyler was very promising. I think four things win cups:

1) Great breaking
2) Ability to get out when you ought to
3) Ability to win a safety battle
4) Ability to come with a big shot

I feel like I saw a strong showing on #2 and a little of #4 from Tyler. Im not judging #1 due to the ref. More importantly, I’m not sure I saw him strong on #3. I think being able to kick-safe will decide many, many cup games. I hope he comes with it regarding that.


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That is because the "rules" favor "robots".

And, personally, I don't care who wins in these "exhibitions".

I like seeing the players when they match up for the "cash".

I agree w you. My favorite part about pool and my favorite players are the cash grinding guys. But this argument is even losing some merit as some of the euros are getting more into gambling. Look at what ruslan and Josh filler do in the derby action room. They beat all of our "cash" players except 2 that come to mind.
 
What we saw from Tyler was very promising. I think four things win cups:

1) Great breaking
2) Ability to get out when you ought to
3) Ability to win a safety battle
4) Ability to come with a big shot

I feel like I saw a strong showing on #2 and a little of #4 from Tyler. Im not judging #1 due to the ref. More importantly, I’m not sure I saw him strong on #3. I think being able to kick-safe will decide many, many cup games. I hope he comes with it regarding that.


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I think these are great points especially number 2. I think Tyler has the potential to get out when he should which is an area we tend to usually fall a bit short.
 
I agree w you. My favorite part about pool and my favorite players are the cash grinding guys. But this argument is even losing some merit as some of the euros are getting more into gambling. Look at what ruslan and Josh filler do in the derby action room. They beat all of our "cash" players except 2 that come to mind.

Who were the 2 exceptions?
 
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