U.S.A vs Phillipines, the numbers

bethesilentone

bethesilentone

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It is so funny how every time a person posts something about a great player on almost any board, A Phillipino butts in, and posts how much better their players are. So really are they that great? Or is it just a feel better kind of post for these people?

Great players from the Phillipines who have won recent tournaments, and play in major tourneys that matter,

Fransisco Bustamante,JoseParica,Eferen Reyes,Alex Palegulyan,Santos Sambajon. (Galleago, and Alcano respectively.)


U.S.A Major tournament champion players,

Earl Strickland,Johnnie Archer,Nick Varner,Rodney Morris,Tony Robles,Max Eberle,Mike Sigal,Corey Deuel,Troy Frank,Shannon Daulton(Shawn Putnam,Kid Delicious,respectively.)

Most of the Philipino players live and operate in the U.S.A, So that makes them in part, Americans. So why do the Phillipinos get all in tears about their players?


Where are the true Phillipinos in rank?


Really have they ever truly dominated the sport? Let us look at the hard facts about these players. The U.S.A has always dominated this sports with multiple world beaters.

Even though U.S.A players litter the power indexes and point lists continually The phillipinos are always "The Best and dont you forget it"Do they have to always be so harsh about their opinions? Should we put a disclaimer to appease these people like. The following post is just an illusion It is not claiming to be better than the Phillipinos so please move along.

Most People respond in panic and anger to the truth, because it hurts. So I am expecting retaliation, but I will alway rely on facts to draw my conclusions.
 
I see your point. The pinos are pool crazy, maybe more so than the average pool fan, and they really love the home players. As for them being better........ I dont know id say as a group in a team match they would beat The United states. Thats just my opinion. The only great players they have now are the Great Efren Reyes, Dajngo
 
Most of the Philipino players live and operate in the U.S.A, So that makes them in part, Americans.
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Lol :D

Being from the UK, I don't *think* I have any particular bias. I also really haven't seen enough pro pool to make any solid judgement on abilities.

However, for everything you accuse people of saying about Philipino pool, you seem to have at least matched in the tone of your posts.


Maybe they're biased fools, maybe you're a biased fool, maybe I'm a fool. At the end of the day we're all just reading what people write on the internet. If someone's overstating their country's ability in some sport, who cares?
 
I dont like to be the party pooper. We all know the main place the future of pool depends on is the U.S.A. People all over the world idolize Americans, and American Television Media. We are Hollywood ,and the Superbowl. The Alpha and the Omega,365days a year On every T.V.Everywhere.Who cares about Norweigen womens pool or how many people are signed up in advance there. They are good looking broads,(no disrespect ladies) so what??
The real challenges, and documented matches take place in the U.S.A. Where the hustling pro travels constantly, and decides his schedule when he feels like it. This is the American way! Deciding at the last minuite, and making a late entrance. The sport does need to be more organized. But who is going to do this?? The Americans!
Websites and magazines will always post U.S Matches first all other countries are later or not at all.
The current crop of Pro,s from the U.S.A could take pool into being a millionaires game.
 
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News from on going Philippines 9 Ball Open..


"Veteran Rene Cruz hinted of things to come when he ousted former world champion Ralf "Kaiser" Soquet of Germany, 9-3, to enter the final 16 of this 64,000-dollar billiards event organized by ABS-CBN and Puyat Sports.

Inspired by Cruz's stunner, Bacolod-pride Ramil "Bebeng" Gallego shamed American Earl Strickland, 9-1, also a former world titleholder, to lead the charge of local talents. "

Corey is still in contention.
 
Puyat Sports, under the leadership of Mr. Putch Puyat, has been advancing ever so cautiously but steadily. A new alliance in pool has been formed, Puyat Sports, JPBA, Matchroom and APBU, and is really gaining the following from viewers and players alike, but most importantly, the sponsors. Even though the US has the numbers and the history, the bickering organizations and lack of TV coverage has unfortunately stalled the advance of the sport there. And this is why an increasing number of American, European and Asian top-caliber poolplayers are traveling to the Philippines to join the Puyat organized tournaments. Now it's not just the players that the Pinoys can be proud of but also the organizer. Congratulations and Mabuhay, Mr. Puyat!
 
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I am sorry to be a poker ,Who cares?? Who in the U.S.cares about asian or european sports? Dont you get it? Even though Americans struggle through the "pro" carrers in the U.S.(They dont deserve to be called two bit street urchins by the way.) The U.S. Is the only place in the world that it matters for pools future. Period. Revenues from a single Hollywood film totals the yearly income of some small countries. Where do you see the Mega Million Dollar future of pool In the U.S or At a Bar Table, having a soup, and sandwich on a island in South East Asia?

!:))
 
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Man you are really sad in your comebacks! The picture of the table and the lobster thing was weak.

I am just going to say this And quote me...

"Go Get me a soup and a Sandwich, and get some Quarters for the BarBox !"Yeah!!!:0
 
For what it is worth, our sport needs heros in order to rise above its lackluster appeal in our country. Other countries have heros because they promote them. Here's a little known fact in golf trivia, but I think you will find interesting; especially in how it set golf on track to produce many modern day American heros such as Jack, Arnie and Tiger. By the way this sport changing jesture did not come by the hands of an American.
In 1965, the winner of the US Open donated his entire ($50,000) prize back to the USGA, allocating all of it towards Junior Golf. Since this monumental contribution, this true Champion has not only gained the respect of an entire golf world, he has built an empire on which he humbly sits in South Africa. His name is Gary Player.

It worked in golf. Who will step up and be a hero in our sport? Don't get me wrong, I am a proud American born Irishman, but it just might be one of the great European or Asian players to draw an appeal with our country's opinion about Billiards; who knows.

The optional resolve may be to follow the great Champion Bobby Jones' career, who never made a dime from golf. Do you know why? He never turned pro.

I think every professional Billiard player is a hero in how they play with fierce passion (for pennies), and in many ways compare to Mr. Jones. Then again he hung out at country clubs where we hang out in poolhalls.
You can draw your own conclusion, all I am saying is we need heros and poolhalls have them too.
 
first you accuse the filipinos of being overly nationalistic then from the other side of your mouth you talk about how the only way is the "American Way". Whos calling the kettle black? Isnt it right that any country would respond the way the filipinos have. It is a poor country that is looking for something to have pride in. They deserve it. The filipinos have made a great contribution to this sport and by being great sportsmen no matter what the outcome is. You talk about how everybody else loves and wants to imitate us. "We are Hollywood" Which is true in the positive sense but with your kind of attitude it is also why a lot hate us as well. No filipino has ever said their country is better than mine. The filipino players who Ive talked love the US and respect us. Something you seem to miss.
 
bethesilentone said:
I dont like to be the party pooper. We all know the main place the future of pool depends on is the U.S.A.
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This is so ridiculous. Men's pool is all but DEAD in this country.

Whenever Taiwan puts on a tournament, every eligible american pro book their tickets in a heartbeat. That's because pool is HUGE in Asia. They are treated like VIP's upon arrival, chauffeured around Taipei, meals/entertainment paid for by the Taiwan Billiard Association. Many of them are actually mobed on the street for autographs and pictures.

In addition, they appear on LIVE TELEVISION for the duration of the tournament. The World Star Team Cup was broadcast live for 4 DAYS straight. Sure beats the pathetic filler spots we get on espn.

The future of pool is in Asia and Europe. Please wake up from this daydream.

Roger
 
I think pool tournaments in the states do not do well is because of the crowd. I went to a 7ball tournament in october and i thought someone had died!!!! Yes they claps came but mostly it was a muffled clap.. If you watch the mosconi cup thats how the crowds should act, I know the players would not mind all the noise!!!
 
King Cueball said:
I think pool tournaments in the states do not do well is because of the crowd. I went to a 7ball tournament in october and i thought someone had died!!!! Yes they claps came but mostly it was a muffled clap.. If you watch the mosconi cup thats how the crowds should act, I know the players would not mind all the noise!!!
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Pool tournaments in the states don't do as well because the interest is just not there. Collectively, yes, but not in any concentration that will make any difference.

Although the Mosconi Cup looks fun on TV, I'd prefer pool events to be well-attended by people knowledgable in pool. That usually means more quiet appreciation, and less inexplicable cheering/clapping. I know it's good for ratings, but that's just my opinion.

If you watch pool on TV in Taiwan, it's hard as hell to get a reaction from the crowd. You need to do something spectacular to get a round of applause, and I think that's the way it should be considering the level of pool we expect from pro players.

Roger
 
I remember talking to Tony Ellin before he died, God rest is soul, and he said that in Europe and Asia, pro pool players are treated like celebrities. He said it was hard to come back to America where no one knows who they are. Kind of a sad commentary about pool in this country. Could the reason for this be that Europe and Asia don't have as many pro sports as we do in the US?
 
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Let's ask Grady what Don Mackey did to the men's tour.:D
Yup, the men's tour is all but dead here.
Poker is already a gazillion times bigger than pro pool.
Bowling even.
Hell, mini-golf might be bigger than pool soon.
 
I did see some putt-putt on espn last night.That just made me wonder.what in the world is going on.lol
 
Tony said:
I did see some putt-putt on espn last night.That just made me wonder.what in the world is going on.lol
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We need to start an Extreme Pool League.
:D
Back in the mid-90's. I would drive to San Diego, L.A. then Vegas to watch the men's tour.
No longer. I'd be lucky to see a tourney in Vegas every year.
 
Rickw said:
Could the reason for this be that Europe and Asia don't have as many pro sports as we do in the US?
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I think that's part of the reason. It's not that there aren't as many pro sports in Asia; there are, but they're not too good at most of them. Can anyone remember the last time Taiwan (Chinese Taipei) won an international basketball tournament? How about baseball? or Rugby? These sports all have pro leagues, but since Taiwan has yet to produce any exemplary representatives in any of them, they receive little attention.

On the other hand, Taiwan has produced a crop of pool champions, from Fang Chao-Pong to Yang to Hsia, all competing at the highest level of the sport. The Philipines have even more to be proud about, with Efren and Busta and a horde of younger players ready to take over. The concentration of talent in these two countries is astounding. Whereas here, you might have 2-3 shortstop players in every pool hall (give or take), in Taipei you'll find 20-30, all under 25 yo.

Roger
 
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