He's a cheater... But just look at it
Ultra long pause on delivery stroke - CISERO MURPHY
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tomatoshooter
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Wow, a 12 year ban. That's the longest suspension I've heard of short of a lifetime ban.
Messing with the sports books bottom line is costly.
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tomatoshooter
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As it should be. I was just thinking about the integrity of the game, not the bookies.
It's a nice thought.
soyale
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am i the only one with zero desire to implement this into my game?
can anyone think of a straight shooter with proper fundamentals despite no pause? just looking for a specific example so i can study it.
“trying” to pause feels like throwing a hitch in the giddyup if you ask me. Of course, nobody asked me
can anyone think of a straight shooter with proper fundamentals despite no pause? just looking for a specific example so i can study it.
“trying” to pause feels like throwing a hitch in the giddyup if you ask me. Of course, nobody asked me
phreaticus
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I think you’ve summarized it efficiently, but Cicero’s game was indeed unique & mesmerizing, at least to me. Being asked for one’s opinion is for sure not a requirement around here
If you already have a smooth transition there is no need to put a pause in. If you notice, or video shows, starting forward at a faster pace than you slowed to the transition, or if all of it is fast, putting a pause in can help smooth a transition. Unless you keep working at it the pause will become shorter and shorter until near or completely nonexistent but the smoother transition will remain.
Something I did was one stroke balls some. No practice stroke. Bring the stick back, stop, wait a few seconds or more, start slowly forward. I want to build a natural slow start forward as part of my stroke, not requiring thought. Correctly or not, I think of the constant increase of speed until I hit the cue ball as a gathering of force. When I am shooting like this, balls fall.
Hu
I noticed a similar variation in Ronnie O'Sullivan in the last tournament. His quick pace got him the name Rocket. When he's on, it's hard to find any pause. Perhaps waiting for the ref to respot the black?
However in this tournament he was totally committed and his pace did vary according to difficult. Provided a longEr pause at times. Also provide a beautiful show.
I can watch Ronnie play for hours. I wish I could see him in person. I think he will reach legend status where his name won't be forgotten for decades after he is gone.
Hu
soyale
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i do not. its all fast.
What im saying is that throwing a pause in there for no reason absolutely does NOT smooth out my transition, at all.
maybe thats what happened to me all those years ago?
i dont have any footage of myself shooting as a young man to compare and I certainly don’t remember what my stroke was like.One thing that is pretty consistent for me is my cueing action. Address the ball, loosey goosey fluid pump on the 1 2, slow it down to whatever speed im shooting the ball 3, and on the 4th i repeat the 3rd but stop at the cue ball, then i black out and the 5th stroke hits the ball. *when im in gear
I think we are on the same team, hu
i do not. its all fast.
What im saying is that throwing a pause in there for no reason absolutely does NOT smooth out my transition, at all.
maybe thats what happened to me all those years ago?
One thing that is pretty consistent for me is my cueing action. Address the ball, loosey goosey fluid pump on the 1 2, slow it down to whatever speed im shooting the ball 3, and on the 4th i repeat the 3rd but stop at the cue ball, then i black out and the 5th stroke hits the ball. *when im in gear
I think we are on the same team, hu
I don't doubt we are on the same team. Regardless, I have never bought the only one true way to heaven some instructors seem to want to peddle. The slip stroke fascinates me. I can use one a little bit but the masters seem like watching poetry. One person in particular, a short stop or road player I have forgotten the name of, had a stroke that caused optical illusions. I couldn't decide if he had a rubber band for an arm or an extra joint between his elbow and wrist. Lost the video with the sudden death of an old computer and have never found it again.
Hu
soyale
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I didnt mean to insinuate that you did, my friend.
Theres a fantastic JJ quote i heard recently after my first day of “pool school” where the instructor wanted to change everything about how i held a cue and sent me home feeling horrible after playing terribly “her way”. I’ll see if i can find it. It came to me at the perfect time in my life.
i dont think im reciting poetry out there, but its funny you mention that because i have a slip stroke and just found out recently. There was another thread here on slip stroke where i posted up asking for a review of my game to find out what the hell i was doing. The user that responded was Chili Palmer.
Sounds like a joy to witness.
always enjoy your posts Hu
The long pause, and the creep forward before accelerating is pretty common in snooker these days. Kyren Wilson is a notable user of the 'Cisero' technique, but there are lots of others.
My paus is actually longer than his. I've managed to get to 707 Fargo playing like this for the last 11 years. That paus at my backstroke has definitely elevated my game to another level. Wasn't with its ups and downs of course lol. Took me a long time to even be able to draw the ball properly. Surprisingly the longer I paus the better my timing and straighter my stroke is. Obviously, I try not to exaggerate it on purpose. I've pretty much burned it into my muscle memory now, don't even realize I'm doing it. If I'm in a funk, trying to fix things I'll play around with it and really hold it long sometimes in practice.
I found this helped me with timing, straightness of stroke, smooth delivery and keeping me down on the shot
Here's my latest practice session I uploaded on Youtube.
I found this helped me with timing, straightness of stroke, smooth delivery and keeping me down on the shot
Here's my latest practice session I uploaded on Youtube.
Interesting and nice shooting!
Something I've noticed is that if I bring the cue back, and hold it, and keep holding it.... after about a second, I can feel something relax in my cueing arm. Maybe my tricep is relaxing a bit even though nothing is moving.
I don't pause that long normally, but have thought that i should give the longer pause a try.
It definitely gets relaxed. This definitely helps when you're faced with a tough shot that requires some speed and your nervous. Won't rush the stroke and "SMACK" it per say. When I first started implementing into my game I would hold it and count "1 mississippi 2 mississippi" then release. It was very hard to play with a paus at the backstroke in matches when I wasn't used to it. So, I would count. It hurt me in a lot of matches, but I was trying to burn that paus into my muscle memory. If I didn't do the counting, I noticed under the pressure, I kept going back to my old stroke and was rushing my stroke a lot. Once I burned it into my game I don't even think about it anymore.
People just trying this out will definitely be discouraged. I stuck with the torture for a good 8-12 months but when I got it down I jumped huge in my game.
Shane, Efren, Bustamente all have a definite slow-down, and sometimes they have a pause - not a long one, but it's often there before they speed back up in the forward stroke.I think you’ve summarized it efficiently, but Cicero’s game was indeed unique & mesmerizing, at least to me. Being asked for one’s opinion is for sure not a requirement around here
I really like the gentleness in Bustamente's stroke. Loopy warm-up, then smooth and gently final backstroke and forward stroke. Bustamente's has what Barry Stark refers to as a 'flamboyant' stroke.
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