soyale
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boosty is my favorite to watch as far as that goes
Ultra long pause on delivery stroke - CISERO MURPHY
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spurious oddity:
Can't recall ever seeing this kind of flinch. His torso moves slightly left before delivering the cue.
Can't recall ever seeing this kind of flinch. His torso moves slightly left before delivering the cue.
That is sick
In high school I went to the bar from 12 to 2AM playing pool then spent two hours bowling on the 12 to 4 special when the bars closed down. I could break 200 anytime I focused. Freshmen at college got last choice on all classes and I only had a choice of golf or bowling. Very unpleasant outdoors sometimes in Louisiana and bowling was in the AC. A no-brainer, bowling it was!
The catch was they taught four step bowling, I had been using three longer steps. My body knew I was out of stride and would throw in all kinds of skips and half-steps and I would crash the bowling ball into the back of my leg! I looked like Dagwood Bumsted out there! Sometimes I hit my leg so hard I knocked myself off my feet. A huge class and I was the worst bowler in it not excluding the little old blue haired lady. I tried to bowl again after that fiasco only to find I could no longer bowl three step or four step!
Had I been allowed to bowl three step approach I would have been in the top ten percent of sixty or eighty students instead of being dead assed last! Instructors that insist on making changes to whatever is working well already are very suspect. People that are running racks multiple times a session might need a little tuning on their mechanics, they don't need rebuilding them from ground zero. I would hate to spend good money on an instructor that spent most of the time trying to fix something that wasn't broken.
Hu
soyale
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Thanks for sharing, that is pretty much exactly how it felt on the table. Changing your footwork in bowling sounds next to impossible.
i do generally runout at least once every session, although lately ive mostly just been working on my break. The instructor had no way of knowing that, she just started us out on dr daves drills to check where we were at, which is very difficult to get into rhythm doing (for me).
however, i didnt pay for the instructor, it is a city-run program at the recreation center included with my very affordable monthly membership. The solution was to just stop going, problem solved.
I didnt mean to sound like i was complaining about her, either. She helped me with a couple things for sure. I was horribly embarrassed to find id been bridging on the rail incorrectly my entire life, with my thumb on the outside of the shaft. Im forever grateful for that, even though i did miss a lot of shots off the rail at first making the switch. but my regular loop bridge? I cant change that at this point.
I think the hardest part of the whole experience was just being talked down to as if i had no understanding of the game.
I didnt grow up in a pool hall with some late great old man to show me the ropes.
I grew up shooting pool by myself in my basement with “youtube: efren reyes” as my teacher. Thats probably why i barely hold the cue in my back hand
Good shooting.
You sure look em over like a 1P player.
I’ve been struggling with my game. I’ve tried to incorporate a longer pause but keep going back to my jerky stroke. I’m going watch you video some more and thanks for the tips.
Shooting off the rail is one place the slip stroke really shines! A big slip in the backstroke makes it feel far more like your stroke out in the open. You power through the cue ball effortlessly too. A very good local shortstop and I were playing with this, putting the cue ball on the rail or not more than an inch or two off and putting the object balls near the other end of a nine foot Diamond.
He said, "You can't miss shooting like this!" Obviously he didn't have my near legendary skill at missing easy shots but he had a point. It was as easy as shooting with the cue ball ten inches off the rail.
Hu
soyale
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ive never minded rail shots, but one thing i read on this forum that increased my success rate was when it DOES feel touchy, focus on the apex of the cb and ob and just worry about lining those up.
when I started playing the commentators often talked about how on jump shots you line it up and then jack up. I never had a jump cue back then but i employed that technique for getting draw on rail shots and it significantly increased my success rate, as well.
Also, i found that JJ quote.
link is timestamped at 1:42:42
“And when you talk about personality, I’ll tell you one thing: i see a lot of people these days, and when i say people- instructors—that try and teach the players to play like a robot.
“I think that’s a mistake. I like seeing the personality, not only as a person, but i like seein it in the stroke, as well!
“You know? Its not just that it’s more entertaining, i think the guys play better. It’s a unique game, in a certain way; not only can you play it a little differently, you dont have to be just like a robot all the time: a lever, when you swing the cue. You can have a little personality involved in it, and I think its important. Especially when the heat gets on. When the heat gets on and you try to play that robotic swing, i dont think you can call on things under pressure as easily.”
i was ready to put my cues in the closet for a little while and then i heard that. Thanks JJ
I don't see his stroke having a long pause (looks like a controlled stroke).
Great video, thanks for posting...
You're in luck, PB -- Accu-stats has two match-length videos of Cisero:
15SP-06D:* Mike Zuglan def. Cicero Murphy 150-26 (Player Review) (DVD)
https://store.accu-stats.com/mike-zuglan-vs-cicero-murphy-pr-dvd-1992-u-s-open/
ME-03D: Bill Dunsmore def. Cicero Murphy 150-63
https://store.accu-stats.com/k-corr-h-sholes-j-chen-k-oyama-1999-wpba-prescott-resort-classic/?fullSite=1
http://www.accu-stats.com/
Enjoy.
Arnaldo ~ AZB now owns Accu-Stats if you haven't heard. It's a fair bet that Mike (owner) can run off additional DVD units of both products or on-demand streams of them, upon request -- given the obvious evergreen, well-justified interest in Cisero.
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that's what they call rolls royce cue action. sad ending of a career, he took the lazy way out
Bums me out too
YellowSnow
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Thank you for this.
I'm currently going through this.
I'm trying to do this draw drill from Alex Pagulayan. https://fb.watch/dD0_eOB9Qc/
Since starting to get serious I implemented a long pause. Keeps me from rushing a shot, allows me to freeze every part of my body, and generate speed more consistently and accurately since the motion is reduced.
My pause feels comfortable since I have been doing it(ish) for some time and the best shots all day come after a pause but mentally I still forget.
"JUST FING PAUSE. I DONT CARE IF I MISS" Screamed this at myself multiple times and then scoop the ball next shot for more profanity. !@)(&#!#
I was able to do 1-2 draw shots from the entire day of shooting when I started. Now I'm able to run 3 in a row a few times a day.
Getting there.
I've seen a lot worse, but if you notice he has rhythm that appears to be a bridge
to his touch and feel of what the cue ball is going to do. Isn't that ultimately the
most important thing provided you make the shot? Smooth playing.
to his touch and feel of what the cue ball is going to do. Isn't that ultimately the
most important thing provided you make the shot? Smooth playing.
Thanks for the post. I'd never seen him play before. Definitely smooth and effortless.
Billy is the gold standard for pool commentary.
Anthony Beeler also has lots of good videos on YouTube about the importance of the pause.
Guy Manges
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Thank you south paw...
Guy Manges
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A big yes... Guy