Unacceptable Shafts & Cues You've Used

[Shorty]

Stuff deleted...mostly whining

My mother taught me not to argue with the ignorant...they will drag you down to their level and beat you with stupidity.

I know what I know...the fact that your mom did not teach you to respect other peoples opinions is not my DAMN problem!

Shorty

 

[zeeder]

Can someone please tell me how much a shaft flexes upon normal impact and if there IS FLEX, which way does it supposedly bend to cause all of this "WHIP".

Since shafts are flexible the shaft will bend to some extent on nearly any hit. I remember seeing high speed photography showing the bend of the shaft on the break! That being said, I don't know how much this affects the hit of a cue.

I would imagine if you hit the ball dead center with a perfectly level cue the cue would bend towards it's weakest side, not so much as you'd notice though...lol.

 

[macguy]

If you whack the joint on ANY cue while holding the grip, you're going to get a certain amount of vibration like a tuning fork. ALL OF THEM!! Show me ONE CUE where you get NOTHING and I'll show you one made out of steel rebar. What the hell does that tell you? Unless you were to have some sort of frequency machine, nobody can judge vibrations by eye. Besides, you don't hit the cueball in the JOINT OF THE CUE. In order for any "WHIP" to take place it would have to bend in the middle of the shaft from pure force of impact like a pole does in the pole vault. I have never seen that happen with a Meucci or anything else because with normally applied force on a medium hit and a level cue, the ball comes off the tip too damn quickly. It's also the direction of the grain with head on impact...not side to side with a weight on the end like a golf club that's swung in a circular motion as opposed to linear in a cue.

I had some son of a bitch that I was fool enough to let borrow and play with one of my good cues, take it with the tip on the slate and apply all of his fat ass weight to it and bend the fucker like a banana so he could see how much flex was in it. I snatched the cue out of his hand and had to use all the restraint I could muster not to beat his skull into bloody mush.

What the hell did that tell him?? NOTHING!! You couldn't even hit a shot put ball hard enough to bend a cue like that!! Stupid idiot...and I STILL see guys doing it all the time like they have some super sense of feel in their hands for flex or torque. They might as well go to a used car lot and kick all the tires...that'll tell them about the same thing.

Can someone please tell me how much a shaft flexes upon normal impact and if there IS FLEX, which way does it supposedly bend to cause all of this "WHIP".

Isn't this just supposed to be peoples opinions, when did it become a debate?

 

[lunchmoney]

I have to say, as far as shafts go. The Cuetec SST shafts are horrible. I couldn't make a ball to save my life. But the Vortex shaft is excellent. Give it a try, if you haven't used one.

I tried the Vortex and didn't care for it. Maybe I didn't give it enough time. I was able to sell it for what I paid for it right away though and the person that bought it loved it. I also tried the Predator and didn't care for that either and I played with it for quite a while on my Schon.


Lunchmoney

 

[drivermaker]

My mother taught me not to argue with the ignorant...they will drag you down to their level and beat you with stupidity.

I know what I know...the fact that your mom did not teach you to respect other peoples opinions is not my DAMN problem!

Shorty

Hey Shorty...kiss my ass you little prick! I didn't call you ignorant or any names. (now I did) I'm asking some damn questions...I'm bringing up points regarding shaft stiffness, how it flexes and how to measure it. If you don't have the answers, maybe YOU'RE the ignorant one. I'm not saying I'm the smart one...I DON'T have all the answers either and I know what I know from experience from playing a lot with Meucci's and owning so many shafts. (in addition to many others)

I'd like to hear more from cuemakers like Chris Hightower or others about the bending and flex of a shaft and their characteristics that affect CB accuracy and control.

 

[ScottR]

Since shafts are flexible the shaft will bend to some extent on nearly any hit. I remember seeing high speed photography showing the bend of the shaft on the break! That being said, I don't know how much this affects the hit of a cue.

I would imagine if you hit the ball dead center with a perfectly level cue the cue would bend towards it's weakest side, not so much as you'd notice though...lol.

I think Zack's WPBA tribute cue is totally unacceptable and should be sent to me for immediate destruction!!

No need to thank me . . . .

 

[Shorty]

I'd like to hear more from cuemakers like Jim Hightower or others about the bending and flex of a shaft and their characteristics that affect CB accuracy and control.

Then go put it in the "Ask the cuemaker" forum...damn...now I feel like Jimbo being the forum police.

And as far as me being a prick, yeah I am...when I have to deal with ignoramous idiots like you I can't help but be...now my next question becomes what have I got to spot you to take some of those Meucci's off your hands, you ain't got the gnads to play a guy in a wheelchair one handed even do ya?

Shorty

 

[matthew staton]

Hey Shorty...kiss my ass you little prick! I didn't call you ignorant or any names. (now I did) I'm asking some damn questions...I'm bringing up points regarding shaft stiffness, how it flexes and how to measure it. If you don't have the answers, maybe YOU'RE the ignorant one. I'm not saying I'm the smart one...I DON'T have all the answers either and I know what I know from experience from playing a lot with Meucci's and owning so many shafts. (in addition to many others)

I'd like to hear more from cuemakers like Jim Hightower or others about the bending and flex of a shaft and their characteristics that affect CB accuracy and control.

Hey driver maker maybe you could ask this question in the cue makers forum they may help ya better.

 

[drivermaker]

Then go put it in the "Ask the cuemaker" forum...damn...now I feel like Jimbo being the forum police.

And as far as me being a prick, yeah I am...when I have to deal with ignoramous idiots like you I can't help but be...now my next question becomes what have I got to spot you to take some of those Meucci's off your hands, you ain't got the gnads to play a guy in a wheelchair one handed even do ya?

Shorty

You little fart...something tells me you're a loud mouth prick all the time. Maybe your momma taught you some things, but she didn't teach you enough. Maybe she needs to get a hold of you and whip your ass a few times like she should have done when you were younger and deserved it.

I'm not moving anything to ask the cuemaker section now. Don't respond and stay out of it if you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
You were never getting attacked from the beginning, but obviously you thought you were.

 

[Matt_24]

Let's face it...some shafts and cues give us better results than others, that's why we use them. Or do we?? I think there are a number of players that use equipment because the hype is so big and they're SUPPOSED to be great hitting and playing, or like lemmings...there's a tendency to follow the crowd.

What shaft or cue have you used that you found totally unacceptable due to feel, hit, accuracy, and overall performance.

So much is made about how GREAT a Predator is for deflection...well, what shaft or cue have you found to be the absolute WORST where the CB just squirted all over hell or you had much less control and couldn't make any where near the balls that you normally do??

I don't think this is badmouthing any one particular shaft or cuemaker whether it's production or made by an independent cuemaker, it's just a personal opinion. That same shaft or cue for someone else could possibly be the BEST one they've ever used.

For all the hype and how great it is...the unacceptable shaft for me is the Predator. I can't play worth a damn with one of those. I don't think I find ANY other shaft or cue out there to be unacceptable, other than the Cue-Tec shaft but not for performance...but for the sticky coating that you need to keep spraying their product on. Anyone else and why?

Ooops...have to edit because I just remembered another. I have a 12mm red dot shaft that I can't make a damn thing with and I guess it's the 12mm because I have a whole bunch of other red and black dots that I can shoot lights out when I use them. Meucci's are a good example. A lot of guys bad mouth them for being too whippy or what not, but I have and do play some bang up pool with Meucci's. They're a damn GOOD playing cue.

I've enjoyed Meucci's. I guess I've always been able to adjust to anything. Some take longer to adjust to than others, but I've never had any big complaints about any particular cue...I guess other than a sticky shaft cuetec...and I've been playing for a long time. I myself like Predators because I find them to be very consistent. I now shoot with a Schon cue w/ Predator shaft and Moori tip. Works for me. I've often thought of buying another Meucci though. I used to love them and ran my first package with a Sneaky Pete.

 

[zeeder]

Then go put it in the "Ask the cuemaker" forum...damn...now I feel like Jimbo being the forum police.

And as far as me being a prick, yeah I am...when I have to deal with ignoramous idiots like you I can't help but be...now my next question becomes what have I got to spot you to take some of those Meucci's off your hands, you ain't got the gnads to play a guy in a wheelchair one handed even do ya?

Shorty

Hey Shorty, you sure are an irritable fellow! This is about shafts/cues the general pool playing public have used. Relax man, this is supposed to be a discussion...lol.

BTW, I'll play you some one handed if we either both get to use your bridge or neither can use it! Of course, with me being in Missouri and you in Florida the matchup is highly unlikely but WTF...lol.

 

[zeeder]

I think Zack's WPBA tribute cue is totally unacceptable and should be sent to me for immediate destruction!!

No need to thank me . . . .

What can I say Scott, I'm a glutton for punishment! I'm going to keep the cue and BJX because I'm a masochist!

 

[inrush]

Who's Jim Hightower???

Hey Shorty...kiss my ass you little prick! I didn't call you ignorant or any names. (now I did) I'm asking some damn questions...I'm bringing up points regarding shaft stiffness, how it flexes and how to measure it. If you don't have the answers, maybe YOU'RE the ignorant one. I'm not saying I'm the smart one...I DON'T have all the answers either and I know what I know from experience from playing a lot with Meucci's and owning so many shafts. (in addition to many others)

I'd like to hear more from cuemakers like Jim Hightower or others about the bending and flex of a shaft and their characteristics that affect CB accuracy and control.

 

[Shorty]

Hey Shorty, you sure are an irritable fellow! This is about shafts/cues the general pool playing public have used. Relax man, this is supposed to be a discussion...lol.

BTW, I'll play you some one handed if we either both get to use your bridge or neither can use it! Of course, with me being in Missouri and you in Florida the matchup is highly unlikely but WTF...lol.

And ya know Zeeder, I am fine with a discussion, but don't tell me how my opinion is wrong because I don't know Meuccis. I do know my opinion of Meuccis based on the Meuccis I have seen and owned. And respect my opinion is all I ask...drivermaker and Jimbo have a REALLY hard time respecting anyone elses opinions but their own.

I guess drivermaker just picked a bad day to piss off a midget.

And yeah Zeeder, will play you gladly one handed and let you use my bridge. I will warn you it does mark up your shaft near the joint however...so bring one of your beater Szamboti's...*wink*

We have a couple of mutual friends I bet as well...Chuck Raulston and Justin Bergman. I believe they are from up around your way. We need to get you to Mississippi sometime to shoot at the Southern Billiards tournament held once in the fall and the spring. Awesome little pool room to play in.

Shorty

 

[drivermaker]

Who's Jim Hightower???

ROTFLMAO...that little prick Shorty short circuited me for a second. I'll fix it.

 

[Shorty]

ROTFLMAO...that little prick Shorty short circuited me for a second. I'll fix it.

*pzzzzt pzzzzt*

Damn right I did! Just like you did me!

Shorty

 

[drivermaker]

And ya know Zeeder, I am fine with a discussion, but don't tell me how my opinion is wrong because I don't know Meuccis. I do know my opinion of Meuccis based on the Meuccis I have seen and owned. And respect my opinion is all I ask...drivermaker and Jimbo have a REALLY hard time respecting anyone elses opinions but their own.

I guess drivermaker just picked a bad day to piss off a midget.

Shorty

Hey big mouth...show me where I said you were WRONG. It's YOUR bad day...not mine.

 

[tom haney]

I've enjoyed Meucci's. I guess I've always been able to adjust to anything. Some take longer to adjust to than others, but I've never had any big complaints about any particular cue...I guess other than a sticky shaft cuetec...and I've been playing for a long time. I myself like Predators because I find them to be very consistent. I now shoot with a Schon cue w/ Predator shaft and Moori tip. Works for me. I've often thought of buying another Meucci though. I used to love them and ran my first package with a Sneaky Pete.

You know, Ive never really understood all this debate
about whippy. I've had a Meucci Diamond for about
20 years and, yes, it's flexible as hell (whippy?).
It is a great shooting cue. In recent years I've bought
a bunch of cues and some of them with a "stiff"
hit are also very good. Maybe I'm too stupid to
know when something's bad. I always wonder how
lousy Mosconi & Hoppe would have been if they knew
how much deflection was in their old cues.

 

[Matt_24]

I always wonder how
lousy Mosconi & Hoppe would have been if they knew
how much deflection was in their old cues.

You make a GREAT point. I was playing some cheap $20 a game straight pool this weekend to 50 points with a player MUCH better than myself. He was spotting me 20 points to 50..and we went back and forth. I was playing with a Schon cue/Predator shaft and was playing with a beat up house cue. His high run was 38...and I think my high run was 11 (I was playing terrible). Now, we play even 9 ball...but he slaughters me at straight. I've yet to figure out the patterns, and I rush myself. I'm learning straight pool is a rhythm game. Anyhow...all in all (like my dad has told me, and Don Purdy just recently said this too), if you can play..you can play. PERIOD. Sometimes folks just over analyze too much. I used to play by the aspect of if it's straight with a good tip and not heavy - I'm happy. In the recent years I've gotten awfully particular about the tip diameter and taper of the shaft (and I don't play as good..go figure).

 

[drivermaker]

In the recent years I've gotten awfully particular about the tip diameter and taper of the shaft (and I don't play as good..go figure).

Maybe you've chosen the wrong one. Seems like most guys are going smaller and smaller on the tip diameter these days. Why it's in vogue, I don't know. I don't think it lends itself to as much accuracy. Sigel had an article in BD a while back and says that he's found 12.9mm to be the best of all worlds for him in tip size. I always thought that he could play a little...