You'll miss to one of two sides of where you intended to hit it. Comparing to center ball is arbitrary unless that's where you intended to hit it.
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Understanding Cue Shaft Flexibility
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Yes, exactly, rather than hitting straight and having a deviation having a range from left to right, the fade has a deviation only from center to right.
That's like saying hitting straight only has one deviation: around the middle. There are ALWAYS three possibilities: hitting where you aimed, hitting left of where you aimed, and hitting right of where you aimed.
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That's regarding only the horizontal axis. Missed target on the vertical axis can be just as big a boo boo. The, "Don't Miss " scene in the movie The Hustler comes to mind.
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Well if you aim off center, left or right, it will still be straight. There is a margin of error in how far you can go left or right then it becomes a problem. I think CJ's method makes sense. A bit to left and right can still result in the same as dead center.
I pivot a lot and its how I learn to play. If I was to aim off center then I would eliminate the pivot and that revolves having to remind myself.
I pivot a lot and its how I learn to play. If I was to aim off center then I would eliminate the pivot and that revolves having to remind myself.
No, at least in my case, I don't. I aim to clip the horn. Which may equate to a missed shot. I then throw the CB, knowing I will miss the horn. How much I miss by isn't a concern.
So to spell it out further, and again. The target is the extreme to how thick I can hit the OB and possibly make it. Only two possibilities...
- I hit with outside English to some degree. The OB is thrown into the pocket.
- I hit center ball and I pot the ball as thickly as possible.
No, the “target” is where you want the CB to actually go: between the thickest and thinnest possibilities. You try to hit the spot on the cue ball that accomplishes that. If you miss that spot on either side, you’ll miss the “target” on the other side.
Playing to one side of center guarantees nothing but the direction of spin. That’s the same logical error that was pointed out to CJ when he made the same claim.
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The target is where I aim the ball. You're simply calculating the throw into the aim. I am not.
By doing I can 'cheat' pockets comfortably.
There might be an opportunity for you to improve your game.
Here is the foremost authority. Professor Irwin Corey... Forward him the subject and he'll keep it simple
Maybe both of us...
CJ made essentially the same argument here that you do - he was mistaken too.
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No I'm not... I'm not making any claim to the pocket being bigger or suggesting I'm hitting so little English the CB doesn't fully rotate before striking the OB.
What I'm saying is, I pick a target to aim for that is the max allowable center CB strike before a miss, AND THEN throw the OB with CB English away from the miss. That doesn't make the pocket bigger. Doesn't make my aim any better.
Just a hack to prevent a possible cueing error.
That seems like a perfectly reasonable aiming method. If you are cutting the object ball to the left, and you aim the object ball at the near edge of the pocket, and you aim your cue a little to the right of center on the cue ball and:
1. You hit your aim point on the cue ball, then the object ball will be thrown into the middle of the pocket.
2. If you miss your aim point on the cue ball a little to the left, you will hit the center of the cue ball, and the object ball will go in the right side of the pocket (where you aimed the object ball).
3. If you miss your aim point on the cue ball a little to the right, you will get more throw than you planned on, so instead of going into the middle of the pocket, the object ball will be thrown into the left side of the pocket.
billiards_watch
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Do you play with carbon?
Introducing spin variables where they aren't needed doesn't sound perfectly reasonable to me.
So the possible outcomes are:
- on target
- left of target
- right of target
Pretty much like any method - same number (and magnitude) of ways to miss.
"Cut your margin of error in half with sidespin" is an old myth.
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doesn't need a lawyer to point out
"margin of error in half" might just be miss tally
and in that regard, you use outside on most cuts as many do. Isn't that to increase make tally?
The claim made by CJ (like yours) was very explicitly about the shot's "geometry", not the success rate.
No, I don't. I use what's needed for CB control.
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Dun geometry factor into success rate? Guy's a hussluh on spiel. If the shit in fact works for him, what's the harm in leaving it?
Since it's brought up on a discussion forum, what's the harm in, you know... discussing it?
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Hurts my brain.