Unique Shots And How To Make Them.

yea that one makes little sense to me too...

And your second table diagram Jude I just cut that in.. Its easy with a little inside or even throwing it with outside and spinning and hitting above the side pocket on the right hand rail. I won some money the other night after 3 people missed a combined total of 11 times in a row and I shot it in first shot.

I dont like the mach 4 speed bank because when I bank that fast I seem to hit the titties and hang it up :(
 
cleary said:
Doesnt come up much, but when it does you will be glad you know this shot. You need to hit this a little firm but it should leave you right on the 9!

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Sorry, its a slow day at work. :)
I havent laughed that hard in a while...
 
JoeyA said:
Jude Rosenstock said:
LOLOLOLOL

I do this one as a prop bet. The cue-ball is on the spot. The object ball is a ball's width from the rail lined up with the diamond. One rail bank in the corner. You need to hit it full in the face with low/right. Don't hit it hard or else you'll never get the throw you need. Anyone who doesn't know the shot gets 10 tries. I'll do it in 3. It takes about a minute to learn and never stops paying off.

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If you shoot this shot in the corner pocket hitting it full in the face with low/right, YOU GET MY BANKROLL. :D

JoeyA


Wow, that'll teach me to do two things at once! I meant the side pocket!
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
JoeyA said:
Wow, that'll teach me to do two things at once! I meant the side pocket!

That's a really good shot to know. You pegged it too. Not too hard. That is the secret. Well, that plus a straight stroke a little side spin and a little draw but not too much of either.

Any other shots?
JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
Jude Rosenstock said:
That's a really good shot to know. You pegged it too. Not too hard. That is the secret. Well, that plus a straight stroke a little side spin and a little draw but not too much of either.

Any other shots?
JoeyA


Actually, what I love most about that shot is that it actually comes up in game play. It opens up possibilities and explains misses.



Here's a fun one to know. If you haven't tried it, it's good to take a moment out of your life and give it a few tries. It's a last resort kick shot but it does open your mind a little to possibilities.

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I confess I peeked. And I'm glad I did. I didn't even know that bank would go. Joey, you play way too good for me. I need 8-4 and the break.
 
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jay helfert said:
I confess I peeked. And I'm glad I did. I didn't even know that bank would go. Joey, you play way too good for me. I need 8-4 and the break.

I told another AZer that you would post something like this by the end of February. ;) I must be getting old.

Damn those censors! :mad:
JoeyA
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
JoeyA said:
Actually, what I love most about that shot is that it actually comes up in game play. It opens up possibilities and explains misses.



Here's a fun one to know. If you haven't tried it, it's good to take a moment out of your life and give it a few tries. It's a last resort kick shot but it does open your mind a little to possibilities.

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i saw a video where george breedlove made that shot in a match.he was safe and kicked off the points on the short rail.wish i could remember which video.
 
Mike_Mason said:
I do love it when I'm forced to quote from WONDERBOYS...which I've posted this quote here before...and this is worth the price of the book...here we go from page 83...spaces added for readability...

"I call it THE SECRET. I will now open my big flap of a mouth and reveal it.

He [Del] called me at home one day and told me to come right away to the YMCA, where he had a table in the men's area. The boys played on eight foot industrial strength tables, but the men had a nice room, with four leather pocket tables. An ancient pulley system operated overhead fans, and the chalk dangled on a chain, pull it down to chalk up, let go it releases to hang just in reach.

Del was more animated than I usually see him.

?I'm going to play some spot shots. You just spot the ball for me, and let me know when you think I'm on to something.?
I said O.K., and placed the nine ball on the foot spot and stepped back to watch.

Del placed his cue ball, as he explained, at the intersection of the first diamond on the top rail and the second diamond on the side rail. He then moved it back a hair to make it legal.

He used an open bridge, stroked like silk three times and sent the cue ball toward the nine with average speed. The nine split the corner pocket with a click on the little pad at the bottom of the leather pocket. I've seen that before.

I set up the nine again and stepped back. Del made the spot shot the same way at the same speed. And again. And again. Here we go. Ten in a row. Twenty. Thirty. Forty. Fifty.

Del moved his cue ball to the left side. Ten spot shots. Twenty. Thirty. Forty. Fifty. Fifty spot shots in a row from the right side, fifty from the left side. No misses.

?Well, what do you think??

?I'm not sure. I don?t expect you to miss a spot shot. Still, a hundred out of a hundred is impressive. I see you're using the overhand bridge, but what I'm seeing more than anything is the speed. You're hitting the cue ball at exactly the same speed every time. That's pretty consistent.?

?Consistent. That's the word. It works every time. All you have to do is stroke it right and it goes. Here, try it.?

The first part of the secret is the angle. It has to be somewhere near the angle of a spot shot. The second part is the speed. It has to be stroked medium speed, too hard will undercut, too soft will overcut. Smoothness counts. Stay down. Follow through. The best part of the secret is the new way of looking at things.

Instead of aiming the shot in the usual way, the way we learned from Mosconi's book, all you do now is use an open bridge so you can see the shaft of the cue, line up the shaft to the edge of the object ball. And stroke the cue ball.

I set the cue ball at the diamond intersection on the right side, made sure I was comfortable, that my cue tip was in the right spot (just a little running english, Del said), took a few warmup strokes, saw that shaft extension meet the edge of the object ball, and split the pocket. Again. And again. Then I missed. Del asked why I missed.

?I hit it too hard. And I poked at it.?

?Excellent. It doesn't take long, does it, to get the speed down. And you have to be smooth.?

I missed a few times on my first ten tries. Then I rattled off thirty in a row and was ready for the left side. Again, a little sputter with the speed control, then by the time I made twenty I was convinced.

?Well, blow me down. Looks like we've got something here, Del.?

He went off about how he had to work out the bugs on the angle. He showed me how ?the system? (he called it the system, or the method, I called it the secret) fades out on extreme or little angle. He gave me the range where it works, that most shots should be in that range anyway, so the system will be in play most of the time.

A few weeks later, I blew his mind by announcing,

?It works on bank shots.?

I had been using the secret in my practice sessions, and for kicks used it on a bank shot, cross side. It split the pocket. I changed the angle. It split the pocket. I banked it cross corner, it split the pocket. This is too easy. This is how Lombard and Del must feel all the time, no matter what I do, the ball goes in. And I don't even have to aim.

Try it. But don't tell anyone I told you."

Thanks again

Mike

Mike,
How about putting up a cuetable diagram (www.cuetable.com) showing the ranges that this shot works consistently.
JoeyA
 
Not working for me...

Joey

I'm just not too good at this kind of stuff...I've posted pics a few times before...and a Wei table once...but then I guess I should have taken notes...I tried to put a table diagram in the Test Area just now and it didn't work.

Mike
 
Mike_Mason said:
Instead of aiming the shot in the usual way, the way we learned from Mosconi's book, all you do now is use an open bridge so you can see the shaft of the cue, line up the shaft to the edge of the object ball. And stroke the cue ball.
The shot you describe is a standard spot shot with the cueball in line with a head corner pocket to the edge of the ball on the foot spot (a "half-ball hit").

However I doubt that anyone could make the shot 100 times in a row. I practice that shot all the time, but my personal best is only 27 out of 30. I don't recall ever making more than 12 or 13 in a row. Granted, top players should be able to string more, but I'd have to see 100 straight without a miss to believe it.

Doc
 
Doc

I appreciate your skepticism...and let me inform you that WONDERBOYS is a novel...so much...well most...of it is created in my little brain.

However I did witness this system...50 from the right side and 50 from the left...not by Del, one of the main characters in the book...but in real life by Nicky Vlahos. Nicky was a great player and you wouldn't want to bet against his making 100 spot shots in a row...system or no system...you would lose your bet just about every time. I learned the system from Nicky...who learned it from a man who was a C player but a pretty good thinker.

And give me an hour practice and I'll do 50 right now...and give me an hour with you and you'll do 50 too...in fact I'd guarantee it.

Mike
 
I wish I could get more technical...

and tell you exactly what angles the system is in play for...but obviously a straight in shot is not in range...nor is a razor thin cut...but you can use the system as a gauge...and adjust...

and these bank shots are no-brainers...

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9-ball cross corner...8-ball cross side...
 
You can do it too...

I said that Doc could do 50 spot shots like opening a can of peas after an hour instruction...he already has done 27...and I guarantee that I can take one hour of someone's time who has never picked up a cue and after two hours...maybe one...will do 25 spot shots in a row...it wouldn't be the first time this has happened and I hope not the last time...
Peace

Mike
 
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