unknown cue possibly harvey martin butterfly conversion

dave sutton

dave sutton

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unknown... cue possibly rambow conversion cue

help identify

i have an unknown cue from the pre 1950's
looks like a brunswick butterfly conversion. 2 butterfly points
rosewood with very small buttsleeve ala martin but no sig.
21 oz stamp and original owners name "zip"

we know the original owner and he says the cue is from the 1930's. hes been dead 20+ yrs now.

we also have pictures with zip holding this cue. from the 30's
 
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pics
not the best but u can get the idea
only 56 inches
brass joint original irish linen

tell me what u think








 
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I can't say for sure it is not one,but every Martin I have ever had the pleasure of examining had a big 3/8th's pin.
 
Don't think it's a Martin either. Looks like anyones first cue attempt. The bumper/butt looks very home made from here. Although, I've seen some early Laube's that looked vaguely similar. Sorry not of more help. PPH
 
pin is 5-16x18 anyone know what rambow used.

cue was played with in the 1930's so it was made in the 20's or 30's. i know rmabow and martin made cues then. couldnt have been too many other cue makers. has anyone seen a 20's or 30's martin? if you look close at the 21 the 21 is very distinct. i saw a martin with the same exact 21 in the blue book. not like and brunswick stamp ive ever seen
 
do you have a better pic of where the points meet at the wrap? And a better pic of the size of the points?
 
Out here on the West Coast there are allot of Martin cues. In fact Harvey started making cues in Seattle and later moved to California. I have personally seen Martin cues from the 1930's, 1940's, and the 1950's and all of the cues have Harveys unique aluminum pin or his brass pin on the older cues which he made himself.

The cue pictured certainly is not like any Martin I have every seen!!! My guess is that the cue is not a Martin.
 
hangemhigh said:
I can't say for sure it is not one,but every Martin I have ever had the pleasure of examining had a big 3/8th's pin.
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Tap, Tap, I've seen these two, 3/8X8 and 3/8X10
 
Yup

Cowboy in Atl showed me a cue attributed to Harve and it had a big pin. Paradise did use a 18 pin if I rember right.
Nick :)
 
thanks everyone.

so the wuestion is who was making cues in the 20s and 30s.

cue is full splice. so there is not much to see at the points.

the bumper is deff not home made. i dont know what that means but anyone that knows cuesmakers from then knows EVERYTHING was home made. bumped is prob the only thing that wasnt home made:D


no way it can be a paradise. hall of fame article says frank paradise started making cues in 1948. we have pics of zip playing with this cue in the 30's.
 
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dave sutton said:
thanks everyone.

so the wuestion is who was making cues in the 20s and 30s.

cue is full splice. so there is not much to see at the points.

the bumper is deff not home made. i dont know what that means but anyone that knows cuesmakers from then knows EVERYTHING was home made. bumped is prob the only thing that wasnt home made:D


no way it can be a paradise. hall of fame article says frank paradise started making cues in 1948. we have pics of zip playing with this cue in the 30's.
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I would suspect that the conversion took place in the late 1940's or 1950's. The joint style, the cues pin, and it over all look do not date the conversion to the 1920's or 1930's. However, you can always send it to Paul Rubino, hell it may come back authenticated as an early Rambo, I mean all the parts look like they are from Brunswick.

Good Luck Dave!!!!!!
 
'homemade' meaning an afterthought. Not actually rubber boiled up on someones stove then moulded it into shape using a shot glass ;)

Played with in the 20's-30's, in one piece or two? Possibly a George Britner if surely that old???
 
manwon said:
I would suspect that the conversion took place in the late 1940's or 1950's. The joint style, the cues pin, and it over all look do not date the conversion to the 1920's or 1930's. However, you can always send it to Paul Rubino, hell it may come back authenticated as an early Rambo, I mean all the parts look like they are from Brunswick.

Good Luck Dave!!!!!!
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thank however if you read up higher. we have a picture of zip from 1938 and he is holding that cue. there is no doubt on this bc the pool room in vineland, nj on 7th and landis wasnt there after a certin date and zip was in that room. he later opened Qball on landis which was bought by jose garcia in 1987.

5-16x18 is a very very standard pin. you would be suprised if you went to the hardware store youll findc alot of that thread is 5-16x14
 
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