Unreal cue maker email.....

[swami4u]

Making cues for over 25 yrs? Nice
Making a living shipping cues overseas? Great!
Cant fill a order for a cue from someone that knows the differance? WORTHLESS!


I Emailed a very well known cuemaker with this request:

Im looking for a cue 59" (im 6'3) under 19oz, Slight forward balance.
(I emailed this maker for this reason): Im looking for old growth wood.
Any wood on the forarm is fine with me, as long as its been in storage
And very well cured. The shaft wood must be very tight grained 15+ per inch or better.
The hit must SING, that old style hit that you hear. "CLICK'
Shoot with a old Gus cue and youll know what i mean. Thats the reason i was asking for the old wood, i feel that the sound of a cue comes from the harness of the wood, along with the joint, ferrule, ect ect.....

I've owned 2 cues from this guy in the late 80's and all of them had this hit im looking for.

So thats a run down of what i wanted. He emailed me back telling me " I dont want to make this cue, making a cue with a forward balance under 19oz is more then i want mess with.....

SO, I think its this in a nut shell, these cue makers cant deliver the wood that is required to make a cue at the levil of the old greats. Now cues have a soft, dampened hit....
Now there are alot of firm hitting cues on the market, but someone tell me a place that can deliver this old style hit today? I want to buy a cue.
Old bluds have this hit, i would like to hear what MR Blud has to say on this. And please note that MR Blud is not the cue maker im talking about here.
None of them "sing" like the old cues. And i see shafts sent out with cues costing 5000+ and i look and laugh inside.

 

[jazznpool]

Why not discuss what you're after with another cuemaker or two known for their excellent work?

One time I asked one of the better known East Coast cuemakers if he would make me a cue with thin-wall stainless steel joint, flat-face 3/8 10-pin. He wasn't interested at all--probably because this was not something he was accustomed to. I later ordered an ivory jointed cue from him.

I want to take this time to thank all the cuemakers I have delt with in the past and present for making a great effort to work with me on a cue. We customers must be a pain in the ass sometimes.

Martin

Making cues for over 25 yrs? Nice
Making a living shipping cues overseas? Great!
Cant fill a order for a cue from someone that knows the differance? WORTHLESS!


I Emailed a very well known cuemaker with this request:

Im looking for a cue 59" (im 6'3) under 19oz, Slight forward balance.
(I emailed this maker for this reason): Im looking for old growth wood.
Any wood on the forarm is fine with me, as long as its been in storage
And very well cured. The shaft wood must be very tight grained 15+ per inch or better.
The hit must SING, that old style hit that you hear. "CLICK'
Shoot with a old Gus cue and youll know what i mean. Thats the reason i was asking for the old wood, i feel that the sound of a cue comes from the harness of the wood, along with the joint, ferrule, ect ect.....

I've owned 2 cues from this guy in the late 80's and all of them had this hit im looking for.

So thats a run down of what i wanted. He emailed me back telling me " I dont want to make this cue, making a cue with a forward balance under 19oz is more then i want mess with.....

SO, I think its this in a nut shell, these cue makers cant deliver the wood that is required to make a cue at the levil of the old greats. Now cues have a soft, dampened hit....
Now there are alot of firm hitting cues on the market, but someone tell me a place that can deliver this old style hit today? I want to buy a cue.
Old bluds have this hit, i would like to hear what MR Blud has to say on this. And please note that MR Blud is not the cue maker im talking about here.
None of them "sing" like the old cues. And i see shafts sent out with cues costing 5000+ and i look and laugh inside.

 

[Chris Byrne]

Why not contact blud. He has wood stashed all over his shop, I am sure he can make you what you want.

 

[swami4u]

Why not discuss what you're after with another cuemaker or two known for their excellent work?

One time I asked one of the better known East Coast cuemakers if he would make me a cue with thin-wall stainless steel joint, flat-face 3/8 10-pin. He wasn't interested at all--probably because this was not something he was accustomed to. I later ordered an ivory jointed cue from him.

I want to take this time to thank all the cuemakers I have delt with in the past and present for making a great effort to work with me on a cue. We customers must be a pain in the ass sometimes.

Martin

We customers must be a pain in the ass sometimes.

No im not a pain in the ass, if im going to drop 1500 on a cue i should get what i payed for. And IMHO anyone that suggests differant is kinda a sucker...
last time i checked O' 20+ yrs ago a custom cue was umm CUSTOM>>..

Yea im sure Blud will come across this post soon enough trying to sell me something! And after hitting with his older cues, thats a good thing.
But let him be warned!!!!! Im a pain in the ass! i want my cue to hit emm' like i want it. And ill be dammed if he thinks hes is not going to make the joint i want, and try to switch me over to ivory! LOL


ill go buy that cue from a drunk that you have to catch on a good day. Upps ' i just gave the cue maker away to
Mr Blud i bet! You catch that jazz? nah prob not man lol

 

[cueman]

The shaft wood has little to do with getting the noise you want in the hit. It is the construction of the cue. Contact Jimmy Reeves and tell him what you want the cue to sound like. He intentionally makes his that way. Those who love it really love it and those who don't really don't. I refuse to make my cues play and sound like that. Jimmy should be able to make what you want in a affordable price range.
Good luck with your new cue.
Chris
www.hightowercues.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com

 

[ShootingArts]

looks like a brush off to me

You got a polite brush off, the same thing most cue makers will give you when you want something that they don't make and don't want to make. You have already determined that the most important thing to you is sound and you have also already determined that no stick made today has the sound you want.

I'll make you a stick for $1500 and guarantee it to have the sound you want. The one minor catch is that you will have to let it sit for twenty-five years before it sounds like a twenty-five year old stick! Not a problem though, if you want your $1500 refunded in twenty-five years I will be happy to do so.

Do note that I won't even talk to you about the stick after you get it until twenty-five years have passed and you have given it a fair test. We will have a contract in writing and I will have cash in hand before starting the project too. I have dealt with customers that thought they wanted to be a pain in the ass before!

Hu

Making cues for over 25 yrs? Nice
Making a living shipping cues overseas? Great!
Cant fill a order for a cue from someone that knows the differance? WORTHLESS!


I Emailed a very well known cuemaker with this request:

Im looking for a cue 59" (im 6'3) under 19oz, Slight forward balance.
(I emailed this maker for this reason): Im looking for old growth wood.
Any wood on the forarm is fine with me, as long as its been in storage
And very well cured. The shaft wood must be very tight grained 15+ per inch or better.
The hit must SING, that old style hit that you hear. "CLICK'
Shoot with a old Gus cue and youll know what i mean. Thats the reason i was asking for the old wood, i feel that the sound of a cue comes from the harness of the wood, along with the joint, ferrule, ect ect.....

I've owned 2 cues from this guy in the late 80's and all of them had this hit im looking for.

So thats a run down of what i wanted. He emailed me back telling me " I dont want to make this cue, making a cue with a forward balance under 19oz is more then i want mess with.....

SO, I think its this in a nut shell, these cue makers cant deliver the wood that is required to make a cue at the levil of the old greats. Now cues have a soft, dampened hit....
Now there are alot of firm hitting cues on the market, but someone tell me a place that can deliver this old style hit today? I want to buy a cue.
Old bluds have this hit, i would like to hear what MR Blud has to say on this. And please note that MR Blud is not the cue maker im talking about here.
None of them "sing" like the old cues. And i see shafts sent out with cues costing 5000+ and i look and laugh inside.

 

[macguy]

Making cues for over 25 yrs? Nice
Making a living shipping cues overseas? Great!
Cant fill a order for a cue from someone that knows the differance? WORTHLESS!


I Emailed a very well known cuemaker with this request:

Im looking for a cue 59" (im 6'3) under 19oz, Slight forward balance.
(I emailed this maker for this reason): Im looking for old growth wood.
Any wood on the forarm is fine with me, as long as its been in storage
And very well cured. The shaft wood must be very tight grained 15+ per inch or better.
The hit must SING, that old style hit that you hear. "CLICK'
Shoot with a old Gus cue and youll know what i mean. Thats the reason i was asking for the old wood, i feel that the sound of a cue comes from the harness of the wood, along with the joint, ferrule, ect ect.....

I've owned 2 cues from this guy in the late 80's and all of them had this hit im looking for.

So thats a run down of what i wanted. He emailed me back telling me " I dont want to make this cue, making a cue with a forward balance under 19oz is more then i want mess with.....

SO, I think its this in a nut shell, these cue makers cant deliver the wood that is required to make a cue at the levil of the old greats. Now cues have a soft, dampened hit....
Now there are alot of firm hitting cues on the market, but someone tell me a place that can deliver this old style hit today? I want to buy a cue.
Old bluds have this hit, i would like to hear what MR Blud has to say on this. And please note that MR Blud is not the cue maker im talking about here.
None of them "sing" like the old cues. And i see shafts sent out with cues costing 5000+ and i look and laugh inside.

He could have picked up a sense you may be a problematic customer and would rather pass on making you a cue. He may also be a cuemaker that has a personal philosophy as to how he likes to build his cue and that is the way he builds them. I.E., you don't go to South West and ask them to build you a cue that looks and plays like a Joss, they build South West cues not Joss cues. In fact I think a cue maker should build his cues based on his own philosophy and not try to be everything to everyone, I think that is a mistake.

Also the thread title Unreal cue maker e-mail is strange. What is unreal about the guy saying no to your request?

 

[JimBo]

I Emailed a very well known cuemaker with this request:

The hit must SING, that old style hit that you hear. "CLICK'
Shoot with a old Gus cue and youll know what i mean. He emailed me back telling me " I dont want to make this cue, making a cue with a forward balance under 19oz is more then i want mess with.....

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First off if you think Blud can make it and has you should have gone to him first, why didn't you??
And second sounds like the cuemaker just thinks you sound too much like a pain in the ass to deal with, no matter what he did you weren't going to be happy. Also far as I know there are a few Boti's for sale and if that's what you want buy one, it's a great investment and just what you want. I'm not saying you shouldn't be a pain and get what you're paying for, but you need to pick a cuemaker because you already know you like his hit, not the other way around, don't call SW and ask for a whippy Meucci hit and then be made when they say sorry go away. I'd suggest Tim Scruggs for you or Jim Buss and have him use some of that bottom of the lake wood for a shaft, you'll get your "tink" you're looking for.

Jim

 

[cuesmith]

First off if you think Blud can make it and has you should have gone to him first, why didn't you??
And second sounds like the cuemaker just thinks you sound too much like a pain in the ass to deal with, no matter what he did you weren't going to be happy. Also far as I know there are a few Boti's for sale and if that's what you want buy one, it's a great investment and just what you want. I'm not saying you shouldn't be a pain and get what you're paying for, but you need to pick a cuemaker because you already know you like his hit, not the other way around, don't call SW and ask for a whippy Meucci hit and then be made when they say sorry go away. I'd suggest Tim Scruggs for you or Jim Buss and have him use some of that bottom of the lake wood for a shaft, you'll get your "tink" you're looking for.

Jim

That sound you're reffering to is more in the tip of the cue than in it's butt construction.
Also Jimbo may well be right when he suggested that the cuemaker may feel you're going to be hard to please, possibly more trouble than it's worth. Most cuemakers, even those who do not have the LONG waiting lists, are limited in time. The less know cuemakers may be even more jammed up, time wise, because they don't have the luxury of having a secure income. They must make the best of the time they have. If they have to spend a lot of extra time trying to interpret your perception of a "great hit" knowing that it may not please you when they're done, can be risky when you have a family who insist on eating on a daily basis!
I'm not saying that a cuemaker should not do everything possible to make a cue just the way a customer wants it! Just that sometimes customers make a "first impression" that makes a cuemaker think "HMMM, this is probably going to be pain in the ass before it's all over! I'd probably be better off passing on it." There are people who I like and respect who I won't build a cue for, because I know that I'm in for, if I do! Life's too short to be all stressed out! But maybe I'm biased because of a condition I have that is greatly exaserbated by stress! I no longer DO deadlines! I work at my own pace and if that's not quick enough there are plenty of other cuemakers out there! Point is there could be other reasons why he passed on building the cue, but was tactful, or felt his reasoning was personal.
Another possibility, and I'm certainly not saying this is the case, but cuemakers do talk to one another! It's possible to have a cuemaker relate bad experiences they've had with certain customers, just as the customers do with cuemakers. I've been warned by other cuemakers that certain people were "hard to deal with" and have passed on building them cues for this reason.

just more hot air!

Sherm

 

[blud]

working on your cue

Making cues for over 25 yrs? Nice
Making a living shipping cues overseas? Great!
Cant fill a order for a cue from someone that knows the differance? WORTHLESS!


I Emailed a very well known cuemaker with this request:

Im looking for a cue 59" (im 6'3) under 19oz, Slight forward balance.
(I emailed this maker for this reason): Im looking for old growth wood.
Any wood on the forarm is fine with me, as long as its been in storage
And very well cured. The shaft wood must be very tight grained 15+ per inch or better.
The hit must SING, that old style hit that you hear. "CLICK'
Shoot with a old Gus cue and youll know what i mean. Thats the reason i was asking for the old wood, i feel that the sound of a cue comes from the harness of the wood, along with the joint, ferrule, ect ect.....

I've owned 2 cues from this guy in the late 80's and all of them had this hit im looking for.

So thats a run down of what i wanted. He emailed me back telling me " I dont want to make this cue, making a cue with a forward balance under 19oz is more then i want mess with.....

SO, I think its this in a nut shell, these cue makers cant deliver the wood that is required to make a cue at the levil of the old greats. Now cues have a soft, dampened hit....
Now there are alot of firm hitting cues on the market, but someone tell me a place that can deliver this old style hit today? I want to buy a cue.
Old bluds have this hit, i would like to hear what MR Blud has to say on this. And please note that MR Blud is not the cue maker im talking about here.
None of them "sing" like the old cues. And i see shafts sent out with cues costing 5000+ and i look and laugh inside.

thanks for the order.
blud

 

[bruin70]

First off if you think Blud can make it and has you should have gone to him first, why didn't you??
And second sounds like the cuemaker just thinks you sound too much like a pain in the ass to deal with, no matter what he did you weren't going to be happy. Also far as I know there are a few Boti's for sale and if that's what you want buy one, it's a great investment and just what you want. I'm not saying you shouldn't be a pain and get what you're paying for, but you need to pick a cuemaker because you already know you like his hit, not the other way around, don't call SW and ask for a whippy Meucci hit and then be made when they say sorry go away. I'd suggest Tim Scruggs for you or Jim Buss and have him use some of that bottom of the lake wood for a shaft, you'll get your "tink" you're looking for.

Jim

i have to agree with jimbo. there are a lot of cuemakers out there to choose from. you should pick a cuemaker who builds what you like rather than asking a cuemaker to build something he doesn't do. that's like hiring picasso to do a rembrandt.

and this "sound" you like becomes an added issue.

 

[JimBo]

i have to agree with jimbo. .

Stop that!!

Jim

 

[butterflycues]

Dan Coons from I believe, Lincoln NE. If he is still alive and making cues. He makes cues that hit like a hammer. Hardest hitting cues I have ever seen. You might try him. Butterflycues.

 

[matthew staton]

First off if you think Blud can make it and has you should have gone to him first, why didn't you??
And second sounds like the cuemaker just thinks you sound too much like a pain in the ass to deal with, no matter what he did you weren't going to be happy. Also far as I know there are a few Boti's for sale and if that's what you want buy one, it's a great investment and just what you want. I'm not saying you shouldn't be a pain and get what you're paying for, but you need to pick a cuemaker because you already know you like his hit, not the other way around, don't call SW and ask for a whippy Meucci hit and then be made when they say sorry go away. I'd suggest Tim Scruggs for you or Jim Buss and have him use some of that bottom of the lake wood for a shaft, you'll get your "tink" you're looking for.

Jim

Hey JimBo this guy wants a tink sound in his cue. Why don't ya help him pick out that special cuetec cue . May be you could give him one out of your collection. You are a cuetec player right??

 

[cscott67]

Funny thread......

One of the cue-makers posted that the sound is mostly due to the shaft/ferrule combination. I have to disagree, as I have several Schon's that I can use the same shaft on and they most DEFINATELY have a different sound. (all cues have the same ss joint)

So, my question in general is why? Is the transfer of energy different when different woods are used? (same construction of cues) Honest question, just looking for ideas/informaton, Scott

 

[mjantti]

One of the cue-makers posted that the sound is mostly due to the shaft/ferrule combination. I have to disagree, as I have several Schon's that I can use the same shaft on and they most DEFINATELY have a different sound. (all cues have the same ss joint)

So, my question in general is why? Is the transfer of energy different when different woods are used? (same construction of cues) Honest question, just looking for ideas/informaton, Scott

I think many things have an effect on the sound. Also, if there are empty cavities in the butt, the sound is different than if the butt is absolutely solid. There used to be a thread here showing some x-rays of cues and yes, there are empty cavities full of air in many butts. I would say a solid butt without cavities would give more solid sound but cannot tell for sure.

 

[Black-Balled]

Keith McCready has a cue that IMO hits like you describe. It is a Willee cue.

 

[huffcues]

scott,
you are right. you can take the same shaft and put it on 3 or 4 same brand cues and play different. there are ALOT of reasons!! especially in production cues>>>
1. the pilot or joint insert diameter can be a little different size, if so it can leave a "gap" or open air space inside the joint. this itself is similar to not screwing the shaft on tightly. there is a good fit on the surface but inside it doesnt fit tight around the edge. that can cause the cue to play different and have a different sound even with same shaft and same brand of cue.
2.the woods used to make the cue. some people assume that if you have 2 schon cues since that was your example and both have maple forearms that they will play the same>>>WRONG. they will be real close BUT not exact. even if both have maple forearms the other woods can also affect the way a cue plays. lets say 1 cue has an ebony butt and maple forearm. and the other cue has purple heart butt and maple forearm. the cue with the ebony will have a firmer more solid hit. the reason is that ebony is a more solid wood. i wont go into all the details of what woods are more solid and why they are or are not. BUT it does make a difference EVEN at the butt of the cue!! all the parts of the cue outside and internal make a difference.
3.inlays>>>you would never think an inlays can determine the hit of a cue right?? wrong. really simple if you think about it. when you put inlays in a cue what do you take out of the cue??? WOOD!! if you take part of a solid piece of wood away and replace it with another material that will change the feel also. and yes the different types of inlay materials can affect the hit too!! same difference as it is with ferrules. ivory,pvc,aegis,fiber,phelonic>>all have very diffrent hits because of the composition of the material. this is the same as if they are inlays.
there are other reasons too...but just some ideas for you to think about. i experimented for many years making cues with ALL TYPES of materails, woods, joints, tips,pins, and such until i was pretty familiar with how every component worked with each other. bottom line is every part of the cue is not only for looks but for function too. you can use different materials but if you do you have to compensate with another part to get close to the same feel. ever notice how most all brands of cues use the same joint pin and joint material on all of their cues??? its not that they love them or they got a great deal on those things, the reason is to keep all thier cues CLOSE to the same hit and feel!! take a schon with a steel joint and have the joint replaced with a fiber joint similar to a meucci and see what i mean. its totally different cue when you get it back!! hope this gives you some things to ponder>>>email me at huffcues@yahoo.com if you want to discuss it any further or if i can help you in any way. thanks

 

[huffcues]

SWAMI
email me at huffcues@yahoo.com i have a cue in the works that will have the ping hit you want when its done. eevn if you are a pain in the ass so am i so we can get along>>>LOL

 

[cscott67]

Huffcues...

SWAMI
email me at huffcues@yahoo.com i have a cue in the works that will have the ping hit you want when its done. eevn if you are a pain in the ass so am i so we can get along>>>LOL

Thanks for the response. I figured that the butt materials and inlays were the reason in general. One of the cues is loaded with ivory and has the "clink" that the poster was trying to describe. I have played with a Cog that had a very similar hit and the butt was solid ebony. Thanks again, Scott