UPA as a sanctioning body

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I know little of the UPA .. other than what I read.. and hear through the grapevine .. or read on their website.
Is it a player's organization attempting to do ( as ) the late PBTA
( Mr. Mackey at the helm ) did ?
Is it a sanctioning body who shall "charge" the promoter's a fee and have the promoter's pass this fee along to the players so as to help finance the organization ?
Is it an organization that holds player contracts and uses the threat of no-show unless UPA compliance is met by the promoter's ?
Blackjack has many good points offered in his post .. !!
If an organization ( made up of player-members ) whose efforts are to "have a voice" in the promoter's business and use the threat of no-compliance .. no players-show-up .. then this organization will last about as long as the others ...
Now .. in order for a pro player organization to have a voice in a promoter's business .. they should bring something to the table other than the players ( participation ) .. such as: suggestions: hire a serious business manager whose scope of duty is to find, secure, implement and carry through with sponsorship money that can be added to ( and at least equal ) the promoter's added money fund .. thus creating an atmosphere where the player's do not have to pay the freight in additional fees .. the promoter's are happy dealing with the organization as a "promoting partner" and the players get more bang for the buck. As with most all newbie situations within our industry, i.e., The UPA .. will learn from their gains and losses .. but take it from someone who has been down this road .. find sponsorship .. find the dough .. and have more to offer than a hollow "player's contract". If not .. eventually, the players will ignore the contract and/or leave the organization and go "where the money is being offered" and/or the promoter's won't care to deal with the organization and will allow whoever pays ... as long as bodies show up and pay the entry fees.
John McChesney
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Players orgs. and growth of pro pool

John,

You raise some valid points, and I know it's the voice of experience. I too remember the orgs. back to the PPPA, PBTA, and all the other shooting stars that burned out immediately.

What surprises me about all the organizers is that no one has hit on the charity hook. Oh, there have been a few that paid token amounts to various charities, but none have thoroughly explored this avenue. Pro golf is a terrific case in point. The charity angle is THE single most important factor in the rapid rise of the PGA.

There are some very simple ways to exploit this and some are so absurdly obvious that everyone has totally missed them. I'm speaking solely about a pro tour, the amateur tours would not fit into this scheme without some modification. With the right commitment from the players, it would be relatively easy to make the 'name' players the proverbial 'household word'.

I don't want to discuss these ideas in an open forum, (I might use them myself someday) but any serious promoter who'd like to discuss them further can contact me privately.
AndyG
 
response to Andy G.

Hi Andy ..

I attempted in 95' to acquire the Leukemia Society as a charity .. the national folks even met with us at ( then ) title sponsor's home office- McDermott Cue.

After many months of contract negotiations whereby the McDermott Tour would donate a portion of proceeds from each event from: a percentage of the following: green and/or registration fees/100% of on-site and room owner separate donations/portion of player auctions/and co-sponsor donations .. it was deemed that the 15 to 20 thousand per season we would have donated was not enough .. per the Society.

I ( and Jim McDermott ) were amazed at their response and how difficult it was "to give away money".

I further researched to make sure that donations from player auctions were legal and/or credible in their eyes .. and that had nothing to do with their "no" decision.

My ( our ) M.O. was to assist in "making the player auctions legit" along with the obvious .. attracting a major sponsor.

I then sought out other charities .. and found that they simply had a thing ( !@?*&!! ) about pool in general ..

John McChesney
 
John,

I remember when you were attempting to deal with those guys.

This in not exactly what I had in mind. When I see you again, I'll explain. I won't be at the BCA show, (for the first time in 17 years), so it'll have to be later.

See ya
AndyG
 
Related to the ABP release.

What type of organizational identity will the ABP have to non-billiard organizations? Will they acts as volunteers, ambassadors, or financial investors?

In the billiards industry being flashy initial may make an organization popular, but if it goes out of business it is useless. I hope the ABP is not as flashy as some of the past organizations have been with management or marketing.

Creating an organization that lasts has to elements recruiting people to ensure the success of program and working towards realistic goals. Being flashy or trying to stay current are battles that are quickly lost.
 
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AndyG said:
John,

I remember when you were attempting to deal with those guys.

This in not exactly what I had in mind. When I see you again, I'll explain. I won't be at the BCA show, (for the first time in 17 years), so it'll have to be later.

See ya
AndyG
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We will all be seeing John, sooner or later.
randyg
 
What's with

Justnum bringing all these 8-9 year old threads back to life? Why, in the world, is he doing this?
 
does it make sense now?


using retro search and reading up on old posts.

alot here has changed. and it isnt me

I like those new cavities in CF shafts
 
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