UPA "League of Champions"

[rocky]

I have been looking into this, it is pretty cool. They have come up with a great handicapping system. It tracks almost everything;

Balls made on the break

How many balls you run in a row on average

How many times at the table

success of your safety's

Players will get a report on a season basis with there progress through the year, how much they have improved and there US amateur ranking.

I think they are ranking players handicap or "speed" as they call it on a 100 to 1000 scale making it much more accurate.

It's a cash league, and players will be eligible for discount and free admission to UPA events.

From what I understand the league is going to be used to add money to the pro events as well. It's nice to see someone trying to do something to expand pro pool and give players that want a good way to track there progress as they get better a viable way.

From what I see here, this may be the amateur ranking system of the future for pro-ams.
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[FLICKit]

I have been looking into this, it is pretty cool. They have come up with a great handicapping system. It tracks almost everything;

If anyone notices obvious sour grapes on my part it is because of this issue. The tracking system that you speak of was generated by a Phoenix local here named John Casey.

Some people aren't interested in truth, honor and integrity. For those of you, so be it...

Balls made on the break

How many balls you run in a row on average

How many times at the table

success of your safety's

As stated all of those features were done by John Casey. Especially notable is the success of your safety's that you mentioned. This became available due to the tracking system created by John Casey. For the UPA to try to claim in any way that they are the originators of such, is a sham.

As I've said, this is about giving credit where credit is due. Maybe at best, you can give UPA credit for recognizing the value of such a system that was originated by John Casey.

Players will get a report on a season basis with there progress through the year, how much they have improved and there US amateur ranking.

I think they are ranking players handicap or "speed" as they call it on a 100 to 1000 scale making it much more accurate.

This range was first done by Accu-stats, and was also included as a factor in the system by John Casey. The most notable thing is that President Frank Alvarez looked at what John Casey was doing and mimicked many of the features. This is provable fact.


Of course, likely that bunch has groupies who are trying to alter that fact.

From what I see here, this may be the amateur ranking system of the future for pro-ams.

John Casey has been making that claim for over a year. That's how UPA and Frank Alvarez were able to get visibility into what was being done.

As has been stated don't get distracted by the sour grapes. Instead give due recognition to where credit is deserved. The sport of pool needs more support to the honest and integrous...

Thank you.

 

[Fuji-whopper]

If that's the case who do we give credit for making a two piece pool cue? That person obviously isn't getting recognized, same with the person who invented multi-layered tips.What did John Casey do with his handicapping system? Is it in place with any leagues or he just thought of these things for the thrills?

Maybe some of the ideas here are kind of "inevitable discovery" type ideas, these tracking options are not unique but may be unique to league play which is why I asked if it's in place with any other leagues.
Hopefully we can come up with a great system TOGETHER, does John Casey want revenue, royalties or just to be accredited with keeping track of certain shots?

FLICKit = John Casey?

 

[Fuji-whopper]

double post, man I am becoming a troll too.

 

[FLICKit]

If that's the case who do we give credit for making a two piece pool cue? That person obviously isn't getting recognized, same with the person who invented multi-layered tips.What did John Casey do with his handicapping system? Is it in place with any leagues or he just thought of these things for the thrills?

Maybe some of the ideas here are kind of "inevitable discovery" type ideas, these tracking options are not unique but may be unique to league play which is why I asked if it's in place with any other leagues.
Hopefully we can come up with a great system TOGETHER, does John Casey want revenue, royalties or just to be accredited with keeping track of certain shots?

FLICKit = John Casey?

If you are going to publicly direct those kind of statements at me, then you should be willing to divulge exactly who you are and what affiliation you have with the UPA.

For the sake of honesty, I am that John Casey person that has been referenced.

Groupies can criticize. I'm sure they will...

My main point is to keep the facts straight.

Oh and by the way "maybe some of the statements you make are NOT truthful and straightforward".

 

[BigDogatLarge]

Everyone knows Fuji. He asked straight questions, as it turns out, of you. Please answer. What are you seeking?

Respectfully,

Dwight

 

[Fuji-whopper]

My name is Neil Fujiwara, I have no affiliation whatsoever with the UPA or it's business I was just asking questions as to the post and the intention of the post. What did I say that wasn't true?

Groupies? Never been called that before but hey, it's probably true. I'm not criticizing either, just wanted to know what became of your system if it wasn't used in leagues before.

I would contact the UPA directly to see if you can get some sort of compensation (either monetarily or otherwise) since they are using your system, have you tried that? Neil Fujiwara thinks that it's a good idea.

 

[FLICKit]

OK... If you truly have no affiliation... Then there's no reason for our relationship to be so cantankarous.

No need to make this into an unnecessary flame war.

So let's start over, possibly on a more friendly note.

 

[bfdlad]

OK... If you truly have no affiliation... Then there's no reason for our relationship to be so cantankarous.

No need to make this into an unnecessary flame war.

So let's start over, possibly on a more friendly note.

Flick it, how do you suppose the UPA got a hold of this info for the system? Did you show it to them and they took it or something like that? Or is it possible that they made it up themselves and that it just resembles your system?

 

[Fuji-whopper]

Flame war? Cantankerous? Hey at least I am learning new words today which is good, but I didn't think this was going anywhere near a flame war.

No I am not a part of the UPA and have no vested interest at all, I was just curious as to what you were after. Money? Recognition? To run a league? To patent the system?

And I am really curious to know what you thought I was lying about, all I did was ask questions not make statements. I'm truly curious as to what someone can do to protect their ideas and how they know so much about your system, is it in use right now with another league?

 

[FLICKit]

I can relay facts. Facts are I have been using it in a league, before Frank and the UPA ever got started. There are local sources here in Phoenix that can verify that.

Facts are that the UPA has lost it's professional men's sanctioning credibility due to issues with players not getting paid multiple times in UPA sanctioned events. You can do a search on this forum for UPA and research it yourself.

As a result, BCA is splintering off to create a division that have amateur pool leagues to support pros, with the intention of running it by a more honorable group.


OK. You want some detailed information on the issue in order to verify my credibility.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=99395&page=3&highlight=shooting

Take a look at post #40.

Now, if this turns around to get nitpicky. (not saying that you are, but posts on forums can often do that) For example, oh yeah... prove more then...

Then that's not the type of conversation that I will engage in at this time.

 

[Fuji-whopper]

Ah, that's what I was looking for. So you are using it in league so that's where they got the information but is there anything you can do to protect your system? Is that considered intellectual property? Can it be protected?

Is it open season with ideas if you use something in a league or tournament? Do you want the UPA to not use your ideas or just to accredit you with it? Can different leagues use the same rating systems or do they have to change them slightly to make them "their own"?

Never had an issue with your credibility but I'm sure someone will enjoy reading your other posts, you never answered my question as to what I said that wasn't true though.

How is the system in your league working out anyways? Good I hope, have you had to make any changes due to unforseen circumstances and do people like it?

 

[FLICKit]

Everyone knows Fuji. He asked straight questions, as it turns out, of you. Please answer. What are you seeking?

Respectfully,

Dwight

Sorry skipped over your message....
Seeking...

First of all, just simple recognition for what was innovated by me.

The system that I created really does have much potential to be the future of pool.

Next of all, any kind of support for protecting it and doing what's right. If we continue to support slime balls and unscrupulous acts, then pool may never gain the credibility that it deserves.
I am already pursuing legal avenues. It's not always a fast process, as I'm sure many are aware of.

 

[Fuji-whopper]

Ah, I didn't realize you could protect these ideas and actually enforce something legally to keep people from using them. That's why I was asking so many questions, I have no clue and wanted to learn about it. I have had some ideas and even a couple of inventions but didn't know how protected something is on different levels, of course something tangible is easier to patent and protect than something intellectual.

Being recognized by the UPA for the system doesn't sound unreasonable, what did they say when you contacted them?

 

[FLICKit]

I'm not going to answer all the questions about this, at this time. Still learning some details, unfortunately. Never had much interaction with the legal system previous to this (besides obvious traffic tickets of course).

you never answered my question as to what I said that wasn't true though.

Didn't actually say that you said something that wasn't true. You used a sentence referencing "maybe", to produce an effect. So, I countered with another one, which garnished the response from you, pretty close to what I expected.

How is the system in your league working out anyways? Good I hope, have you had to make any changes due to unforseen circumstances and do people like it?

The system is working great actually! I'm biased of course.

The UPA started their system and had people choose their own ratings, which never adjusted for a few weeks. Which would've been OK, if the original ratings were right, which they weren't.

Although I have had honest people come to me and inform me that mine is more accurate than their's is.

Frank A. and the UPA is counting on the fact that they will present it to people first, and garnish the reaction that they are the innovators.

Actually, I can create a better version in a heartbeat. I'm out to do it, but quite disheartening if it's just gonna be handled unscrupulously as well.

 

[FLICKit]

Flick it, how do you suppose the UPA got a hold of this info for the system? Did you show it to them and they took it or something like that? Or is it possible that they made it up themselves and that it just resembles your system?

Mark... Simple answer. It's not possible that they made it up themselves.

There are a number of characteristics which I innovated.

For example, my system has many differences than Accu-stats. I actually made a specific effort to avoid the Accu-stats system, so as not to infringe on its intellectual property. Multiple attempts at the same goal will often produce quite different results.