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jjinfla said:
I wouldn't pay too much attention to Charlie Williams and John Ditoro's casual conversations....
Doug
(were you eavesdropping)
the UPA is still around...I voluntarilly work with the UPA when i get a chance to at tournaments, however I think most people are now focusing on the IPT being that it seems like there is more purse involved in it...otherwise the UPA is another tourney that seeds people, its just a little bit more professional than say the joss tour, because it travels around the whole country..not just a specific region..
cmartor3 said:the UPA is still around...I voluntarilly work with the UPA when i get a chance to at tournaments, however I think most people are now focusing on the IPT being that it seems like there is more purse involved in it...otherwise the UPA is another tourney that seeds people, its just a little bit more professional than say the joss tour, because it travels around the whole country..not just a specific region..
Why bring the Joss Tour into this and degrade them with the line "MORE Professional". The Joss Tour is run in a professional manner and Mike Zuglan's reputation is impeccible when it comes to running his tour. He plays no favorites to anybody...period.........mike
The UPA will no longer exist if Kevin Trudeau has his way and makes all the players who make the IPT next year exclusive to the IPT. That is not a rumor. He has stated in various magazines that that is what he wants to do. As he puts it. "Why should other promoters benefit from the exposure he has created for said players". Will the UPA be able to pay him a substancial fee for letting HIS players play for the UPA. Like someone else on here has already stated. KT wants to own pool within the next couple of years. In order to do that he has to have the best players signed to exclusive contracts...makes sense to me....................mike
well i think i forgot to mention.. & I assumed you would have picked up on it, but you obviously dont realize that the UPA is a mens league only, they have stricter requirements of their players, they expect more...& actually charge more to play...
I didnt mean for you to think that i'm degrading mike, dont take what everyone says so personal, god forbid i use a comparison...& i would've used the tristate-tour, as a comparison, but thats a handicapped league...you know what pick whatever tourney you wish...blaze tour, whatever all of these tourneys I play in myself...... besides, mike is an awesome guy, I've met him before...& personally i'd rather play in the joss tour, it offers both men & woman an opportunity to play,.... I guess you didnt pick up on what i was trying to get at....
as an outsider or player looking in, I notice that the joss is only in the northeast region...UPA travels around the whole country like i've said before, thats the difference....
forgive me for using a comparison to which personally affected you....
& yes i did hear that about the IPT & K T which is why i said it had a bigger purse...more benefits to being in the IPT. maybe the IPT should consider playing 9 ball as well, unless they have started that already.....
but what the hell do i know...that one guy was just asking if the UPA was still around, & I only answered Yes for him.....such an issue.....
I didnt mean for you to think that i'm degrading mike, dont take what everyone says so personal, god forbid i use a comparison...& i would've used the tristate-tour, as a comparison, but thats a handicapped league...you know what pick whatever tourney you wish...blaze tour, whatever all of these tourneys I play in myself...... besides, mike is an awesome guy, I've met him before...& personally i'd rather play in the joss tour, it offers both men & woman an opportunity to play,.... I guess you didnt pick up on what i was trying to get at....
as an outsider or player looking in, I notice that the joss is only in the northeast region...UPA travels around the whole country like i've said before, thats the difference....
forgive me for using a comparison to which personally affected you....
& yes i did hear that about the IPT & K T which is why i said it had a bigger purse...more benefits to being in the IPT. maybe the IPT should consider playing 9 ball as well, unless they have started that already.....
but what the hell do i know...that one guy was just asking if the UPA was still around, & I only answered Yes for him.....such an issue.....
NYC cue dude
Banned
upa still around? Probably not for much longer. This is also not a guess. Although it seems like it should be, the main reason (which i can't explain), is NOT the ipt.
and all that you just said would explain why the UPA is having issues getting tournament set up, & sponsers to sign, & players willing to play....That was what they weren't telling me was happening with the UPA, they are probably terrified & there's just not enough for the UPA to offer the players, so an answer to your question, no they dont have enough money, hence the reason why i said i voluntarilly worked at some tournaments, besides the fact that i love working with pool regardless if i get paid...but........Because i've seen what kind of budget the UPA has & its not a pretty one.... its not enough, so it is eventually going to fall apart if they dont do something about it, what? i don't know......
oh hey cueball 1950 i've spoken with you before, do you remember i actually thought you were mike zuglan, & you forwarded my message to him...thank you for that......I was asking him if he wanted help for the turning stone event, but I was attending a tournament in Las Vegas the same week...
carol
carol
cmartor3 said:
Sorry Carol....I must have been having a bad day. Seems to happen alot lately...lolol...so please forgive me if i was out of line. And yes i remember the mix up..Mike and myself got a chuckle out of it. And yes he remembered meeting you in New Jersey at the 14.1 tournament...........mike
here is a thought, instead of bashing ANY organization for attempting to pull together players into a united professional front (whether it is IPT or UPA), why not be happy that someone is working to do so and it provides exposure for the sport - prior to the IPT, the UPA was there and still is - there has been a quick jump on the IPT bandwagon because of money promises, but the longevity has not been proven yet (and for those critics, I am not saying they will or will not, just that it is a fact - the longevity is not there yet) - if everyone would put as much positive into the sport as they spew out, it could turn into someone good.
9balllvr
9balllvr
well said 9ballvr....well said....
cueball1950; hahaha every day is a bad day to me, its winter already in NY.....& especially when sitting in front of this computer for hours on end...sorry about the head butting there....besides, you seem to know more about the business aspect of the game than i do......but 9ballvr is correct, we all love the game or we wouldnt be here, whether thoughts unite or collide......so lets enjoy it....LOL
cueball1950; hahaha every day is a bad day to me, its winter already in NY.....& especially when sitting in front of this computer for hours on end...sorry about the head butting there....besides, you seem to know more about the business aspect of the game than i do......but 9ballvr is correct, we all love the game or we wouldnt be here, whether thoughts unite or collide......so lets enjoy it....LOL
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9balllvr said:
Look how long it took some the the top male players to stop whining about the women always being on TV. Their "logic" at that time was they were more skilled, but in fact any exposure was GOOD exposure for the sport (and we all know how much vision most U.S. players of the past had), even bad press is better than ZERO. Now it's water under the bridge, and the womens 'in fighting' because Janette Lee wasn't as good as someone else at one time and she made ALL the $$$ caused allot of jealousy, but the child in all of us eventually quiets, and some of us Know when to hold em and Not when to show em
It will be interesting if change doesn't come what CW and the UPA will actually do.
Projecting this forward a bit if the UPA does totally fold it will mean the world-wide bodies with whom the IPT has so far refused to make deals (E.G. the WPA) may have no choice but to come to an arrangement, as at present they rely on the UPA rankings to select players for international tournaments like the World Championships.
Or if the IPT go ahead with the plan to lock their players into playing exclusively in IPT events they can attempt to kill off all major non-IPT Pro events worldwide, which would be pretty pointless if the current IPT roster could not play in them.
If it gets that far the IPT can even reverse the situation and make organiztions like the WPA get sanctioning from the IPT if they want to field the top Pros in their tournaments. (Turn-about is fair play after all.)
Or if the IPT go ahead with the plan to lock their players into playing exclusively in IPT events they can attempt to kill off all major non-IPT Pro events worldwide, which would be pretty pointless if the current IPT roster could not play in them.
If it gets that far the IPT can even reverse the situation and make organiztions like the WPA get sanctioning from the IPT if they want to field the top Pros in their tournaments. (Turn-about is fair play after all.)
I think this is true only for US players, as many other countries have National (and continental) Championships and the corresponding members of the WPA have that basis for nominating their players to the WPC.AuntyDan said:
NYC cue dude
Banned
kt has lready been quoted as saying that if he "forces" the players into exclusivity contracts, he would require outside events to pay him a sanctioning fee. It would go without saying.
The question is, would he want the relatively small amount of money for sanctioning, or would he want to put the competition out of business.
what would you do?
The question is, would he want the relatively small amount of money for sanctioning, or would he want to put the competition out of business.
what would you do?
Bob Jewett said:
But if the IPT choose to enforce bans for all IPT tour members, US or otherwise, for any non-IPT sanctioned event, that would include all those national and regional events the UPA sanctions worldwide at present.
And even if the UPA chose to accept results from non-UPA sanctioned events the IPT can still choose to ban all it's players from the big events like the World Championships, so getting invited and/or seeded by the UPA is going to be irrelevant if the players choose to stay with the IPT instead.
Looking at the UPA website, it only sanctions tournaments within the US. I doubt that it has any sanctioning power or authority outside of the US. As far as I can see, it is not an international organization, at least not within the context of the WPA. I believe that it is involved with the WPC and other international tournaments because the BCA accepts the UPA player rankings for the purpose of selecting US players to be nominated to go to international events. This is necessary at least partly because there is no US Pool Championship for either men or women.AuntyDan said:
Bob Jewett said:
Sorry, I mis-wrote. I meant to say "And even if the WPA chose to accept results from non-WPA sanctioned events..."
The core point is the IPT can potentially create a very fractured situation internationally if they bar their players from all other tournaments world-wide.
cmartor3 said:
Carol....he got into this because of his good friend Mike Sigel. apparently they are best friends and mike made him a cue and gave him lessons at one time...and you will NEVER see him on here answering anything. Heck, we can't even get Deno, who is his top employee, right hand man, to come on here and answer any questions. I personally don't think Deno is allowed to answer any questions. And i don't blame him for not wanting to get caught up in all of this by saying something. I know i would'nt........mike