Update on the Des Moines pool scene
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MAN - Now I know why I haven't been able to beat Jody! Thanks for pointing this out. 
You probably don't like the statue of liberty, fumblerooskie, 3-point line, pulling the goalie, or penalty kicks from the left hash right??
Pattern Racking is no more against the rules than soft breaking, phenolic tips, or jump cues.
Lombardi would be aghast.
You probably don't like the statue of liberty, fumblerooskie, 3-point line, pulling the goalie, or penalty kicks from the left hash right??
Pattern Racking is no more against the rules than soft breaking, phenolic tips, or jump cues.
Lombardi would be aghast.
MAN - Now I know why I haven't been able to beat Jody! Thanks for pointing this out.
You probably don't like the statue of liberty, fumblerooskie, 3-point line, pulling the goalie, or penalty kicks from the left hash right??
Pattern Racking is no more against the rules than soft breaking, phenolic tips, or jump cues.
Lombardi would be aghast.
Didn't the term, "random" used to be (is?) in the rules? That means that the racker cannot consciously place balls in certain positions, except the one and nine of course.
Rack girls, I say....with big racks (I know what you're thinking...I was referring to a big triangle so games such as 8-ball and stratight pool could be played
)---really big racks.Jeff Livingston
MAN - Now I know why I haven't been able to beat Jody! Thanks for pointing this out.
You probably don't like the statue of liberty, fumblerooskie, 3-point line, pulling the goalie, or penalty kicks from the left hash right??
Pattern Racking is no more against the rules than soft breaking, phenolic tips, or jump cues.
Lombardi would be aghast.
OK so here's what you do. Go play BCA Nationals and say to the officials that you were reading Section 5.2 of their 9-Ball rules which state "5.2 RACKING THE BALLS
The object balls are racked in a diamond shape, with the 1-ball at the top of the diamond and on the foot spot, the 9-ball in the center of the diamond, and the other balls in random order, racked as tightly as possible. The game begins with cue ball in hand behind the head string," that they are full of shit and don't know the game.
I assume you believe a good game of 9-Ball is Rack Your Own, and in effect you shoot the ghost with no ball in hand. Then if things get sticky you still have a chance to win. I suppose you sit and practice the exact same rack day in and day out. Hell Donny Mills can run out 50% of the time on his pattern rack game. I am assuming you think if he would have racked randomly against SVB the score would have been so close.
Oh and knock yourself out trying to find ANY major tournament that allows pattern racking please. I'll start you off with the ones I know that DONT allow it. The US Open, The DCC 9-Ball, The World 9-Ball Championship, The Japan Open, The Guiness Tour, The US Bar Table Championship, APA Nationals, BCA Nationals, VNEA Nationals....I got tired of googling. In major tournaments you are given a warning and then disqualified.
You are right though, absolutely nothing wrong with it at all. These guys who make the standardized rules of the game are complete idiots and clearly haven't heard of the merits of a competitive advantage.
Okay, so making the 1 on the break is out. No wing balls on the break either right? That's just as much competitive advantage. And i believe the thread you quoted had a nice response about 'random'. How can you prove the balls were in a pattern and not random? There are only so many combinations...
I like poking you, Mike. :joyful:
next time we play -- I'll pattern rack my own and you 'random' rack and we'll see what the balls look like after the break... scientifically.:grin:
I like poking you, Mike. :joyful:
next time we play -- I'll pattern rack my own and you 'random' rack and we'll see what the balls look like after the break... scientifically.:grin:
Trying to play a certain ball on break is completely different. I can see you don't fully grasp the power of the pattern rack. There many types of patterns that can be used depending on how hard you like to hit the balls and from which side you break from. Also depends on where you break from. Long story short they all pretty much accomplish the same type of thing. That's very limited travel of the cue ball through a run out. I can't tell you how many times I see the 1-2-3 up table. 6-7-8-9 down table.
I won't play that pattern rack crap and whoever I play won't play it against me. Unless it's in "The Best Weekly Tournament in the Country." Then I'll get pattern racked at every step and just like it. It's these little bad types of habits that get passed on from the better players to the lesser players as a good idea.
To quote Jason Richardson, "The best players in DSM all need weight from everywhere else"...that isn't word for word accurate but you get the point. You get enough of these little bad habits and you don't get used to playing many types of patterns you get run over at the end of the day. To each his own though, I look at pattern racking as compensation for a gap in ability. Why else would you do it?
Anyone care to list the benefits of pattern racking? Then follow it up with how it's not chicken shit to do it.
So why hasn't there been a rule implimented on exactly what ball goes where in a 9ball rack?
Like having the rule state:::: the balls must be placed in this order....
.......... 111
..... 333 777
.. 444 999 666
..... 555 222
......... 888
Some people are gonna always complain and some people are gonna always try to bend the rules at all costs. I JUST WANNA PLAY!
Like having the rule state:::: the balls must be placed in this order....
.......... 111
..... 333 777
.. 444 999 666
..... 555 222
......... 888
Some people are gonna always complain and some people are gonna always try to bend the rules at all costs. I JUST WANNA PLAY!
Shannon Murphy absolutely torched Alex Pagulayan on the stream at the DCC. It was rack your own 9 Ball. He hit him with a 4 pack at one point. You know how he racked the balls? I do, completely randomly. One rack he literally had to go up and down the table on every shot and it wasn't pretty but he got there somehow. Alex did the same thing when he played. He beat Alex straight up, no gimmicks.
If you go on you tube and watch some good 9-Ball matches, these guys just throw the balls in the rack and break them. It's fair play. The Great Southern Billiard Tour(GSBT) actually stipulates the 2 ball must be placed in the back. You know why? To speed up play. The 2 is going to bank and come down table to where the 1 ball will most likely be. They also switched from racking for each other to a rack your own format. If Shannon or Marge catches you pattern racking it up and you get complained about, you are done!
It cracks me up sometimes because part of racking your own is to avoid the slug racks and if you rack yourself bad then its on you. RYO is not a free ticket to rack the balls favorably for yourself. Please don't get me started on racking intentionally so the 9 goes towards the corners as well. If it was up to me the 9-Ball would have to go down last shot.
Anyone know where I can sign up for rack mechanic school?
The whole point of rack your own in our sunday tournament was to get a fair rack. A couple people (nope wont name em) got into this habit of racking high or tilting the rack so you weren't as likely to make a ball. (and phils rack 
) Plus checking/re-racking/checking/re-racking over and over slows the tournament down and becomes a hassle.
I actually pushed alot of people to vote for RYO. Almost sorry i did now.
My quote was actually from Mike Athens, he said the best players in dsm can go to say the quad cities, and they need spotted by their best players to make a fair game.
Not far from the truth.
Might have something to do with the fact that instead of helping to make players around here better, we'd rather **** each other out of money and piss off the guys who are B level and below, so they dont gamble or come to the tournaments. Oh and if they do decided to match up, they have a 25% chance of getting paid.
I really hope my boy doesnt grow up wanting to play pool.
) Plus checking/re-racking/checking/re-racking over and over slows the tournament down and becomes a hassle. I actually pushed alot of people to vote for RYO. Almost sorry i did now.
My quote was actually from Mike Athens, he said the best players in dsm can go to say the quad cities, and they need spotted by their best players to make a fair game.
Not far from the truth.
Might have something to do with the fact that instead of helping to make players around here better, we'd rather **** each other out of money and piss off the guys who are B level and below, so they dont gamble or come to the tournaments. Oh and if they do decided to match up, they have a 25% chance of getting paid.
I really hope my boy doesnt grow up wanting to play pool.
Oh and if someone is pattern racking you, i guess you could check the rack and continually hit the 1 ball so its loose and make them re-rack over and over til they get the point. I might be the only person in town with enough balls to do that though.
No I am fairly certain Tammie would do it too... she may not have balls, but she don't give a shit.
Big H
That's a funny way to do it. I much rather prefer to move the balls and call it out. That way you can get told by people whether they think it's okay to do it. Here's what you will find out, similar to what I found out.
The people running the tournament of it are in favor of it. Then you'll find about 7-8 others like Tony Ehlers, Anthony, Jimmy, Theo, and a couple others also like to pattern rack and actually think that's part of rack your own. Anthony actually said what's the point of racking your own balls if you can't make sure they go where you want them to. Pretty funny right.
Then you'll find out the majority of the rest of the people are totally clueless as to what a pattern rack even is and how it can give an unfair advantage. Ignorance is bliss in this case.
Then there are a few like us and your brother that think it's total crap. Others even wondered whether or not it was legal to do it, once they found out it is legal, they say they will be doing it too.
When I came here the Sunday tourney had 50 something people every week. First 3 weeks of this year looks like they are averaging less than half of that. If you look up the payouts online you'll see that this year's year end tourney had about a $1000 less added money to it than in 2008. At some point you have to look at the big picture and make some tough decisions.
I kind of feared with the 9 on break going away that this issue would come up more. Oddly I noticed a lot less 9 balls flying towards the corner pockets on Sunday, you think the rule change impacted that? How's about we all just man up and have a good fair tournament that everyone can enjoy and have fun at. It's easy to blame the ball sets we play with for the 9 on the snaps but that rule is out the window.
Once again I ask the same question, if there is no advantage to pattern racking than why pattern rack at all?
When is the finals of this year end tourney going online? I'll be using that as my training tape.
Which is the story? Legal or illegal.
It is not legal in the rules of 9-ball. It is legal in the DSM Sunday 9-ball tournament though.
The game of 9-ball sucks bad enough without people cheating you. I hope we change this.
Sunday tournament it is LEGAL! Why is it legal you ask? Because the guys running the tourney said so.
Should it be legal however is the real argument? I vote for no. You be the judge though. You can lead a horse to water, but you can not make them drink. This is merely a discussion and an exercise in public opinion. End of the day nothing will change. This isn't a democracy.
If you take away jump cues I also wouldn't object. If you take away phenolic tips, once again, I also would not object. I actually like having to kick at the balls.
There was a vote at the final tournament on various items. There was a blank spot to write in anything you wanted and it would have been voted on. There was also a vote last year on certain rule changes. I'm not 100%, but I think there were 4 changes total, last year and this year.
Most tournaments I have been to, the TD sets the rules and that is that. At least here, any regular player that supports the tournament has a chance to change the rules.
This is true. Even if you write it in on Next Year's ballad for voting, that doesn't solve anything this year. More over I recently learned that a lot of the tournament players do not even know what a pattern rack is to begin with. I'm not sure how you solve that.
It's about the spirit of the game and a level playing field.
You mean like this?:
Jeff Livingston
Exactly like that!