Notice to all: I will be up at dogs tonight at around 6ish if anyone wants to hit some!
Update on the Des Moines pool scene
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I would like a 1pkt tournament, last time they did it they did handicaps and noone liked it. Rack girls would be awesome !
At the end of the day IMHO tournaments should be played even up. You're never gonna get better using a handicap for a crutch. (gambling is different, you're not trying to get better, you're trying to make money !)
Bruce i agree, sandbaggers are terrible. Btw: i wish jeff would let me back in TAP as a 4.
At the end of the day IMHO tournaments should be played even up. You're never gonna get better using a handicap for a crutch. (gambling is different, you're not trying to get better, you're trying to make money !)
Bruce i agree, sandbaggers are terrible. Btw: i wish jeff would let me back in TAP as a 4.
ok. All good points.. here are my responses;
1.) POOL TABLES-
-- The person that was doing the pool tables passed away recently and they have not quite locked in who will do it from here on out. The tables play much better if i clean then regularly but that hasn't happened - and i am the ONLY one who does it. Saturday I did talk to Denny about it needing to be done soon so that will help REDUCE and not ELIMINATE the complaining. Face it. No place is perfect. Playing at dogs there are supposed to have pro style tables, but even the bar diamonds skid and play goofy. Good thing about tables rolls is that it rolls the same for each player. And the pockes being HUGE, then you should NEVER miss
2.) TOURNEY FORMAT -
-- I say APA for a few reasons. For one, it give a GUIDLINE - not a GUARANTEE for a handicap so that all skill levels have an opportunity to play. This is just a usuful tool, not anything directly associated with APA. As a league representive, I do believe in the new APA since Randy has taken it over. He has offered SO much more to the players and more opportunities to advance in teams, league play, singles and doubles. All I ask is that the players is an established APA player. That does limit some people, but they would benefit more than just the Saturday tourney if they joined the league.
3.) HANDICAP ISSUES -
-- Pool players will find anything to complain about. I expect some will complain, but I wouldn’t believe them to have a pulse if they didn’t. They can take it up with Nationals and not the same way Jeff Miller says. But that's another thread.
4.) THE CUSTOMERS -
-- Yes, we ill take all forms of life. The dollar is still green (and black on the flip side) and spends the same as the silent person. Trust me, I have one LARGE complaint, but taking the money is 2x as sweet.
1.) POOL TABLES-
-- The person that was doing the pool tables passed away recently and they have not quite locked in who will do it from here on out. The tables play much better if i clean then regularly but that hasn't happened - and i am the ONLY one who does it. Saturday I did talk to Denny about it needing to be done soon so that will help REDUCE and not ELIMINATE the complaining. Face it. No place is perfect. Playing at dogs there are supposed to have pro style tables, but even the bar diamonds skid and play goofy. Good thing about tables rolls is that it rolls the same for each player. And the pockes being HUGE, then you should NEVER miss
2.) TOURNEY FORMAT -
-- I say APA for a few reasons. For one, it give a GUIDLINE - not a GUARANTEE for a handicap so that all skill levels have an opportunity to play. This is just a usuful tool, not anything directly associated with APA. As a league representive, I do believe in the new APA since Randy has taken it over. He has offered SO much more to the players and more opportunities to advance in teams, league play, singles and doubles. All I ask is that the players is an established APA player. That does limit some people, but they would benefit more than just the Saturday tourney if they joined the league.
3.) HANDICAP ISSUES -
-- Pool players will find anything to complain about. I expect some will complain, but I wouldn’t believe them to have a pulse if they didn’t. They can take it up with Nationals and not the same way Jeff Miller says. But that's another thread.
4.) THE CUSTOMERS -
-- Yes, we ill take all forms of life. The dollar is still green (and black on the flip side) and spends the same as the silent person. Trust me, I have one LARGE complaint, but taking the money is 2x as sweet.
Most tourneys are handicapped if the race is short enough. Especially when it comes to bar tables.
One hole tourney would/could be fun.
One hole tourney would/could be fun.
ok. All good points.. here are my responses;
1.) POOL TABLES-
-- The person that was doing the pool tables passed away recently and they have not quite locked in who will do it from here on out. The tables play much better if i clean then regularly but that hasn't happened - and i am the ONLY one who does it. Saturday I did talk to Denny about it needing to be done soon so that will help REDUCE and not ELIMINATE the complaining. Face it. No place is perfect. Playing at dogs there are supposed to have pro style tables, but even the bar diamonds skid and play goofy. Good thing about tables rolls is that it rolls the same for each player. And the pockes being HUGE, then you should NEVER miss
2.) TOURNEY FORMAT -
-- I say APA for a few reasons. For one, it give a GUIDLINE - not a GUARANTEE for a handicap so that all skill levels have an opportunity to play. This is just a usuful tool, not anything directly associated with APA. As a league representive, I do believe in the new APA since Randy has taken it over. He has offered SO much more to the players and more opportunities to advance in teams, league play, singles and doubles. All I ask is that the players is an established APA player. That does limit some people, but they would benefit more than just the Saturday tourney if they joined the league.
3.) HANDICAP ISSUES -
-- Pool players will find anything to complain about. I expect some will complain, but I wouldn’t believe them to have a pulse if they didn’t. They can take it up with Nationals and not the same way Jeff Miller says. But that's another thread.
4.) THE CUSTOMERS -
-- Yes, we ill take all forms of life. The dollar is still green (and black on the flip side) and spends the same as the silent person. Trust me, I have one LARGE complaint, but taking the money is 2x as sweet.
1. Tables just get out of line with numbers....if a bar has 3 tables imho they should play damn near perfect. with 15 to 50 its not realistic to think they will *all* play good.
2. Open tournament play should never affect a league handicap and thats what will happen, sadly because APA members for the most part need something to complain about which is why they dont play open leagues. In VNEA or BCA you complain that someone is to good, someone else says "so what?" In the APA they move your handicap up. (i remember someone calling nationals once to tell them Jamie plays at pro speed and should be kicked out of the league)
3. Handicaps suck. I don't get the Jeff Miller comment, but he is seriously the best league opperator in DSM. {sarcasm anyone?}
4. wtf ?
BTW: This is all my opinion and i may be wrong, but i doubt it. I will say Randy has done a wonderful job making the APA mean something again around DSM. That is really the main reason i decided to play again. I would have liked to try and qualify for the Jack/Jill trip, but maybe some other time.
BTW: Worm you should set the tournament up. Most of the people on here dont play APA so why would their opinion matter ?
Good Luck with it, i am sure you will get a decent turn out.
Good Luck with it, i am sure you will get a decent turn out.
@Ray, pretty sure that wasn't directed at you at all in any way shape, form, or fashion. If you read a couple pages back you know what she meant by that comment. Also it's not a bad thing she's presenting you with some type of alternative. Give you a reason to play 3 tournaments a week with 2 of them being very winnable for you.
@Worm, I like the idea. I started a thread a while back that could be useful for you to check out and read. http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=157912 It's not a real long thread but people want to play a mixed format or 10-ball according to popular opinion. Check it out and see what you think.
@Jason, AZPIC...sandbagging makes the world go around. I firmly believe that if you don't sandbag you only end up cheating yourself. In the APA you can get ****ed now or later, I'd pick later when I'm in the desert sipping on a 52 oz. Margarita playing minis. That's just me though.
@Worm, I like the idea. I started a thread a while back that could be useful for you to check out and read. http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=157912 It's not a real long thread but people want to play a mixed format or 10-ball according to popular opinion. Check it out and see what you think.
@Jason, AZPIC...sandbagging makes the world go around. I firmly believe that if you don't sandbag you only end up cheating yourself. In the APA you can get ****ed now or later, I'd pick later when I'm in the desert sipping on a 52 oz. Margarita playing minis. That's just me though.
Fargo Billiards has 58 tables that all play perfect. And if any of those tables didn't they would pay to have them fixed. Big pool rooms have to spend money to make money, but some places are tight. Big Dog's needs new diamond bar tables! Stix just needs to have new cloth put on their tables and have them leveled. Regular care for tables goes a long ways. Once they put new cloth on they need to be wiped down every day! And actually, I know of rooms that have their employees wipe down the pool tables after every use, and the balls cleaned after every use...which is the way it should be IMO.
Oh Fish, I like you. I don't think this applies to you. You take time off. you play softball and have other priorities. I don't believe that you live to play pool every day of your life and only can get where you are. Plus you are friendly and pleasurable to be around (except when you get excited sometimes - but everyone gets excited from time to time
-- I always get a warm hello and you are open to talk to just about anyone. You, FISH, have Personality. How else could you be a FISH!?
I was waaaaaayyyyyyy ahead of the curve. Thats also how i went to vegas 6 times. Not braggin, i know i cheated in some people eyes (whatever). My team got a 5th place finish in 9ball, and i would bet $100 no team from here does better in the next 10 years. I enjoyed my trips and did all i could for the league back then.
I was even a board member before i got kicked off. At a handicap review meeting i was trying to get a 83yo man whos record for the session(2teams) was 2w-23l as a 4. I said we should manually move him to a 3, i was told in the APA we dont move people down. I told them they were a bunch of (*^&%^^ idiots and they asked me to leave and never come back, lol.
Now that is thinking outside the box. :thumbup:
LOL, no it's not! Sandbagging is admitting you are playing worse than your actual skill level so you can steal the prize money. It is blatant and undeniable cheating. If you cheat and admit you cheat and can get away with it within the system, god bless you. It is not waving a flag around saying you are the best. It's a full team effort with a very specific and lucrative goal in mind. With that said, no it's not the same!
Oh and it only gets you a seat to the big show. At the big show you then have to face all the national sandbaggers which include people like Jason Kirkwood, Brian Parks, Robert Hall, David Rowell, Chris Miller, Jerry Lin, Bobby McGrath etc...in other words it gets you a flight and hotel room with a little money to bet on red.
Every week on tuesday night I tune in to ontherailtv and watch the Arizona Wild Ball 9-ball tourney. I like what they do, Scott Frost pretty much is giving the 6-out or 7-out with a game on the wire to pretty much everyone in the tournament. He still wins it frequently. Mitch Ellerman gets the 8 ball from him.
We need that type of tournament in town is people really want the handicaps to mean something. If you have to race to 6 and give up weight, in this town especially, I think you are going to have a different winner fairly often. Only wildball spots none of the last 2 or 4 or any of that.
They can do that though because they have a statewide rating system, which we don't.
We need that type of tournament in town is people really want the handicaps to mean something. If you have to race to 6 and give up weight, in this town especially, I think you are going to have a different winner fairly often. Only wildball spots none of the last 2 or 4 or any of that.
They can do that though because they have a statewide rating system, which we don't.
Me hating sandbagging was purely sarcastic...
I figured you would like that one
I know what it means, but I couldn't resist! I really think Stix should have a tourney on Saturdays. It could be like the monday tourney in Ankeny, and I would play. Not everyone plays APA, so I don't think an APA tourney does anything to improve our tourney seen. There needs to be something different though too. A new tourney, with different people running it would be nice! One pocket would be fun, but could it be a tourney that would grow? A 10-ball big table tourney would be fun too. Tough to get everyone to come every week though.
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I am glad I dont dump anymore in APA. I like the challenge playing a bagger who thinks they are supposed to throttle me because they are a 5 or 6 when they should be a 6 or 7...then when I win I got lucky lol. I may screw our teams best throw a bit depending on the team I am on, but it makes the wins that much more sweet, especially in higher level play.
I don't want a handicapped 9-ball tournament. I don't want to win the tournament because I got spotted. I want to win because I worked on my game and was the best player in the building that day. I don't want Jody to go home and sleep peacefully at night, thinking he only got beat by the spot. I want him to have nightmares.