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vivalaraza

vivalaraza

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does anyone know anything about the book by scientist jack koehler?

why is it $10.80 on amazon.com and well over $20 on billiardsexpress.com?

are they different books?
 
Can't answer your question, but I really liked Koehler's "The Science of Pocket Biliards" and would recommend his work.
 
vivalaraza said:
does anyone know anything about the book by scientist jack koehler?

why is it $10.80 on amazon.com and well over $20 on billiardsexpress.com?

are they different books?
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I don`t know the awnser to yore question on the price but the book is toooooooo scientific for a hill billy like me
Vagabond
 
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Upscale One Pocket by Jack Koehler is a good starter book. If you can get a copy for $10.80 (plus tax and shipping), go for it. Don't worry about Billiard Express' price.

Troy
vivalaraza said:
does anyone know anything about the book by scientist jack koehler?

why is it $10.80 on amazon.com and well over $20 on billiardsexpress.com?

are they different books?
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macguy said:
worthless.
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Respect your opinion, but a section I particularly liked in that book was devoted to the concept of permissible error, meaning how much room for error there is from the perfect aim point to pocket a ball. I foihnd it a nice way of quantifying the fact that certain shots which players tend to favor are actually far tougher to pocket than they look.

Of course, if you say the book had no value for you --- well, you'd know best.
 
sjm said:
Respect your opinion, but a section I particularly liked in that book was devoted to the concept of permissible error, meaning how much room for error there is from the perfect aim point to pocket a ball. I foihnd it a nice way of quantifying the fact that certain shots which players tend to favor are actually far tougher to pocket than they look.

Of course, if you say the book had no value for you --- well, you'd know best.
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What I said was maybe a little harsh. If one knows anything about one pocket they would not find the book of much interest and someone wanting to learn one pocket will not learn anything of any value from the book. I can't think of a reason for this book to exist. Maybe that is the definition of worthless though. I have no idea how they came up with the title Upscale One pocket giving the impression it is an advanced book. Nothing upscale there, it's as basic as it gets. There sure is a market or a good one pocket book though, you have to wonder why there isn't one by Danny D., Ronnie Allen, Grady or one of the many other one pocket champions out there. Not so much to make money, there isn't much money in books like that anyway, but just to pass on some of their knowledge.
 
Well being as the other choice is "Winning One Pocket" by Robin for $300.00 (if you can find it for sale that is), might be a good buy.

I don't think there are any other books specifically on one pocket are there?
 
sjm said:
...a section I particularly liked in that book was devoted to the concept of permissible error, meaning how much room for error there is from the perfect aim point to pocket a ball. I foihnd it a nice way of quantifying the fact that certain shots which players tend to favor are actually far tougher to pocket than they look.
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Could you illustrate on the WEI Table What you mean in the above statement?

Tracy
 
I have UpScale 9-ball

I don't know the one pocket book.
The upScale is a series thought. Ther's an upscale 8 and 9ball. I have the 9-ball one and I thik it's the best book I have found on that game. It look's at pool a little differently though.

Mike
 
I would think he would mean since a pocket is wider than a ball, if you are dealt with a perfectly straight in shot, how much can you off you can go from a centerball hit and still make the shot, thus in another words creating an angle
 
macguy said:
What I said was maybe a little harsh. .
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Mac,
I think you and SJM are discussing different books. "The Science of Pocket Billiards" (which SJM is referring to) is basically a scientific treatise of the physics of pocket billiards. The sections on permissible error, deflection, and rail shots are the DEFINITIVE work on the subject; and a MUST HAVE for any serious student of the game. Players who think they know the game may be in for quite a surprise if they have not mastered the concepts in this book.

"Upscale One-Pocket" (to which you are referring) is just a very basic primer on one-pocket, with very little scientific content. An advanced one-pocket player would find very little new in this book. A player who has not played one-pocket will definitely find some help here. If for nothing else, it displays the tracks for 2-, 3-, 4-, and 5-cushion banks back to your pocket. It also discusses common end-game scenarios, strategies for dealing with spotted balls along the string, and strategies for end-game when you are behind or ahead. All of these are necessary area's of mastery - the value of the book depends on whether you already know this material. I thought the book was very good, but it is nowhere near as comprehensive as the Capelle books on 14.1, 9-ball, and 8-ball. Now, if Capelle would just come out with a one-pocket book, we could all avoid having to search for a $400 Eddie Robin book.
 
Gerald said:
Having just gotten the book and having looked at the content that answer is probably the dumbest I have ever read on this board.
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That was just my first response, although anyone with any real expectations will be very disappointed. Only the first time player would get anything out of it and probably never find a reason to refer back it again once they have played even a little bit. A good book you will find yourself referring back to over and over and maybe learning something new every time. This book is "WAY" below that level of value. A one time read for a beginner, zero value for the player with any experiance at all and nothing more. A very poor effort by the author. Just trying to be honest.
 
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Gerald said:
Having just gotten the book and having looked at the content that answer is probably the dumbest I have ever read on this board.
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That response was a little strong. However, being a relative newcomer to the game it is going to be a great primer. I still think that to call any book of it's caliber, and that has managed to get published, "worthless" is wrong and probably arrogant.

The difference in pricing might have to do with the binding. ??
 
Williebetmore said:
Mac,
we could all avoid having to search for a $400 Eddie Robin book.
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Hello,
Recently , one gentleman in Las Vegas, invited me to his home to hit some balls where I could meet Eddie Robins.I said ``not interested`` and I did not go.I was afraid that Eddie might laugh at my game.
Vagabond
 
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RSB-Refugee said:
Could you illustrate on the WEI Table What you mean in the above statement?

Tracy
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Hate to say it, but, although the book made quite an impression on me, I don't own it anymore. Still, a shot I recall listed as having a far lower permissible error (meaning it's tougher to pocket tha it appears) than I would have thought was the one shown below:
 

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vagabond said:
Hello,
Recently , one gentleman in Las Vegas, invited me to his home to hit some balls where I could meet Eddie Robins.I said ``not interested`` and I did not go.I was afraid that Eddie might laugh at my game.
Vagabond
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They probably would have been happy to have someone there to play against.

I have my own table and sometimes have difficulty getting people to come over and play.
 
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