DCC 2016:
9b 16K 1st
1p 12K
9b banks 10K
Master of Table 20K
US Open 2015
10b 10K
8b 11K
Fields for DCC is 300+ in all events.
US Open 10-Ball & US Open 8-Ball
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DCC 2016:
9b 16K 1st
1p 12K
9b banks 10K
Master of Table 20K
US Open 2015
10b 10K
8b 11K
Fields for DCC is 300+ in all events.
Wait what??? 7ft table? I'm glad I read all comments before purchasing, I almost hit the buy button, glad I didn't. there's noway I'm going to watch 7ft table.
Actually people wondering why US players playing worst than EU's and keep losing, and I know you might not believe me because you have different mindset and ideas, but this is exactly why, bar tables are killing the US players, not only that, it's killing the game as awhole, I don't know who invented it, but it is literally killing the players skill, and the game.
Fields are smaller and smaller because pool brings no money, its simple, you got 1% chance of winning, everybody can run out, you go to a new state, live in a hotel, and you don't know if you can win or even if a C player will knock you out in 2nd round, it's the truth, in pool anybody can win, which is exactly why you will see a new name winning a tournament, and it keep happening, there's no domination in the game, like the old days where you will see the same 5 players names in the last 8 of a tournament every time!!!, now it's different, I wonder why that is, but it is true, and don't tell me that now everybody is skillful, it's not true.
I hate 7' tables (for professionals) just as much, and do think they are hurting pool.
But to say that players don't dominate is ignorance at it's best. The top players are always at the top. The winners might change, but the overall group stays the same. And the players are more skilled (as a collective group), which is the main reason you don't see one player winning every single event.
As far as anyone being able to win. True to an extent. I could get lucky and beat SVB in the US Open in one match, but I'm never winning the entire tournament. If you disagree, then find me one example in the last 5 years of an unknown winning a major event.
I wouldn't say "an uknown" because he would be known for his specific city/region maybe, but here's what I will tell you, outside of the US. check for yourself then come back to me, check the Last five 9ball world championships, then also check the last five 8ball world championchips, regardless of country, i think the last 2 were in Qatar and UAE, but before that they were held in the philipines and before that they were held in europe for couple of years, check infact the last 10 years, and see who won, you will find out that a different player is winning the tournament, and there never a repeat, always another player who wins, regardless if known or unknown, but it's a new or another name every single time.
now if you go and see tennis grand-slam tournament, you will keep seeing the same 3-4 players in the semi-final, every friggin time, and I mean everytime it's either roger federer, murray, djokovic, or one of the high ranked young players like Milos or Roinic.
Anyway i'm giving you an example of the world major tournaments in tennis which are named "Grand slam" and how the players keep repeating, but in pool, as I said, go look for the two biggest tournaments which are 9ball WORLD Championships, find out the last 10 winners, another name, everytime.
Aren't the tournaments you are speaking of pool play then Single Elimination?
At that level of play a single elimination makes it much harder to repeat let alone win. Upsets can't be overcome in Single elimination
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It's not just the players it's also the game.
If you play short race 9 ball, of course you're going to get different winners every year.
Hey Guys,
Made a big error. The numbers I posted were for the Challenge events not the US Open events, My apologies. The correct numbers are 10 ball 77 players and 8 ball 87 players. Still significant drops. Should be great events with all the big guys already on the left coast.
Lyn
Made a big error. The numbers I posted were for the Challenge events not the US Open events, My apologies. The correct numbers are 10 ball 77 players and 8 ball 87 players. Still significant drops. Should be great events with all the big guys already on the left coast.
Lyn
I agree that the tournaments should mostly be played on a 9 footer (however, for 8 ball I think a bar table might be just as well).
However, I think that it is highly unlikely for a C player to beat a true professional player in a race to 9 or 10 even on a 7 footer. Usually the top pros still end up in the top 4 at the end- for example, last year Hohmann won the 10 ball and Orcullo won the 8 ball
That's good (or at least better) to hear.
I dont think the pros playing on bar boxes really hurts their game at all. Im sure the majority of their practice time is spent on 9' tables. I play on bar boxes because thats all we have up here. I have a 9' table at home. I find it much, much more difficult to ease up on my stroke speed for a bar box than to pick up my speed for the 9' table. Thats about the only difference I really notice switching between 7' & 9' tables. Its not like they are playing a different game on 7' tables, maybe you have an extra cluster on a 7' table playing 8 ball but just as likely you dont have any tied up balls unless you are rearranging the table every time you shoot. The biggest difference I see between 7' and 9' 8 ball is they dont seem to control the cue ball very good on the break on 9' tables, like they are going for break speed rather than cue ball control. If they can park the cue ball breaking on a 7' table Im sure they can do it on a9' table also. When I first started playing a few years ago and bought my Gold Crown I thought I made a huge mistake getting such a big table, after a couple years there only seems to be about a 6" difference between a 7' and 9' table now, to me they are both just normal pool tables, it all just boils down to how familiar you get with them. When people play on my 9' table they joke that they need binoculars to see the other end of the table, but they dont spend enough time on a big table to get familiar with the size.
I personally love watching the pro's play on the 7' Diamonds since that's what I play on a lot. It inspires me to play better for sure. I love the breaks and the run out's. Awesome to watch in my opinion.
It says a lot about the state of pool in USA when the top Euro players are opting to play in a British event rather than one in Vegas :thumbup:
Agreed, and 8 ball is similar as well. If we shift our gaze to 14.1 we see more consistency in the winners. It's a much smaller winners circle in each of the bigger events. One pocket is similar as well.
Snooker is also similar, especially for the world championships. It's not hard to predict at least 2 of the 4 semi-finalists each year.
If we are going to play 9/10 ball, in a perfect world I'd like to see races to 20 on 9 foot tables. I know it won't happen, at least not regularly.
Even with seeding in tennis, there are big upsets every tournament. It's rare to see the number 1 and 2 seed both make it to the finals.
But I'd like to see seeding in pool now that fargo ratings are available.....I hate seeing two monster players going against each other in the first round because they drew numbers.
I'm not a fan of alternate breaks..... far too often, the winner of the match ends up being the one who won the lag to start the match.
The break and run outs would be more fun if they had winner break....then see if a guy could put together an 11 game package and keep the other guy in the seat the whole match.....that I'd like to see.
Lyn -- The "Current Entries" at the bottom of this page -- http://www.playcsipool.com/2016-us-open-championships.html -- currently show 40 for 10-Ball and 46 for 8-Ball. Is that not the right place to look?
A format that leads to the very best players being almost guaranteed to win is fine in a sport where the money is coming from sponsors/media. In pool, most of the money for the prize pool comes from the players, so races that are short enough to let a lot of players have a chance at a deep run are key to getting participation among the pro players. It probably also helps to get the amateurs to play as well, although some of them will know they are dead money and step up anyway just for the experience.