US OPEN 9Ball. Questions and thoughts

I would rather have a known good rack than mess with it for 5 minutes to try to get a good rack and not have a thin cloth on the table. The issues that a loose rack causes are way worse than what a ball rolling off 3 mm would cause if a slow rolling ball hits the edge of the rack. Just think of it as where that ball would have randomly gone anyway if it hits the rack.

I agree completely! I really don't understand being against templates, especially for the reason that a ball might move slight off course from its random path. :confused:
 
The Golf shoes support a specific function, besides that Pool is not a sport in the sense of Basketball, Football etc.

Yea, the small rubber spikes on the bottom of a golf shoe support a specific function... The rest of the shoe supports the same functions needed in pool: comfort and flexible. The style of the shoe does not support a function other than being sporty because golf is a sport. But not a sport in the same sense as basketball, football etc. so maybe golfer should wear clown shoes with spikes.
 
Yea, the small rubber spikes on the bottom of a golf shoe support a specific function... The rest of the shoe supports the same functions needed in pool: comfort and flexible. The style of the shoe does not support a function other than being sporty because golf is a sport. But not a sport in the same sense as basketball, football etc. so maybe golfer should wear clown shoes with spikes.

Golfers walk on grass, every sport has specific demands, thus shoes designed in order to cover those demands.
The image factor is important regardless of our opinion about it. Imagine Snooker or Carom open tournaments in the manner of many Pool tournaments, where players get to exhibit their underwear while shooting. That's "comfortable" enough I guess...
So, why not have players playing around in world tournaments in swimsuits during the summer?
That would be "comfortable" too, and big sponsors would certainly get involved right away... :)
 
Golfers walk on grass, every sport has specific demands, thus shoes designed in order to cover those demands.
The image factor is important regardless of our opinion about it. Imagine Snooker or Carom open tournaments in the manner of many Pool tournaments, where players get to exhibit their underwear while shooting. That's "comfortable" enough I guess...
So, why not have players playing around in world tournaments in swimsuits during the summer?
That would be "comfortable" too, and big sponsors would certainly get involved right away... :)

You jumped the shark.
 
Golfers walk on grass, every sport has specific demands, thus shoes designed in order to cover those demands.

The image factor is important regardless of our opinion about it. Imagine Snooker or Carom open tournaments in the manner of many Pool tournaments, where players get to exhibit their underwear while shooting. That's "comfortable" enough I guess...

So, why not have players playing around in world tournaments in swimsuits during the summer?

That would be "comfortable" too, and big sponsors would certainly get involved right away... :)


So Petros, please expound on how hard leather dress shoes serve the demands of pool players. Have you ever played an extended session of 12-36 hours? Try it in dress shoes, your feet will tell you how they feel about it.
 
So Petros, please expound on how hard leather dress shoes serve the demands of pool players. Have you ever played an extended session of 12-36 hours? Try it in dress shoes, your feet will tell you how they feel about it.

So, nobody has noticed that most shoes used by pros (and others) are not "hard leather" ones anymore? Maybe decades ago players used tuxedo like shoes, not anymore. Shoes are fine.
 
Depends on how you think about it. Personally I'd rather get Pool closer to the successful Snooker and Carom story than further away from it...


Do you think Snookers success is due to dress or more about the ability to bet legally on it? It's about sports betting there, without it there would be no success story.
 
Do you think Snookers success is due to dress or more about the ability to bet legally on it? It's about sports betting there, without it there would be no success story.

I agree, the final result is due to a number of reasons, but even betting in this case is around a "product" which is presented in a professional manner. So yes, dress code plays a part.
 
So, nobody has noticed that most shoes used by pros (and others) are not "hard leather" ones anymore? Maybe decades ago players used tuxedo like shoes, not anymore. Shoes are fine.

I have noticed the shoes, I go to a lot of events. It's dress shoes pal. #ballroomdancing
 
Do you think Snookers success is due to dress or more about the ability to bet legally on it? It's about sports betting there, without it there would be no success story.

It's all about culture. Here in Europe we are more traditionals, I couldn't imagine a pool event here with a dress code like the Bonus Ball tour, it made me sick, it was ridiculous to me and to every euro pool player you ask (in fact, it's the most ridiculos thing I have ever seen in pool). I suggest you take a look at any Eurotour event, all people is dressed like Ralf Souquet, not as classy as snooker, not as crappy as Bonus Ball, just like golf with black pants and shoes (and I think in the US pro tournaments follow the same dress code).
BTW there are leather shoes that are as confortable as golf sneakers.
 
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Cleary is right, pool is a sport. Everyone should wear outfits like these. I bet you can't wait for the 300+ pound guy at the poolhall to show up in this kind of outfit
#MyeyesohGodican'tseegetadoctorplease

The next outfit appeals to the chic young crowd, and combines sportyness with a casual je ne sais quoi. All the attitude of being to cool for pants and the ability to run with sporty shoes.
#Ifeeloldnow
 

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Cleary is right, pool is a sport. Everyone should wear outfits like these. I bet you can't wait for the 300+ pound guy at the poolhall to show up in this kind of outfit
#MyeyesohGodican'tseegetadoctorplease

The next outfit appeals to the chic young crowd, and combines sportyness with a casual je ne sais quoi. All the attitude of being to cool for pants and the ability to run with sporty shoes.
#Ifeeloldnow

It's funny how close minded people can be. Either you're in a tux or a bum. One or the other lol.

The people in this game really hold it back.
 
I'm not aware of Thorsten Hohmann complaining about dress code, in any case concerning this matter we should remember:

- There are many reasons why big companies outside Pool are not involved, if the official dress code was a problem I don't think they would stop because of it.
- Snooker does more than fine with official dress code, so does Carom, both with fewer players around the world.
- Pool is already "Sporty" enough these days, and even when we talk about shoes there are official dress code shoes being comfortable enough to play with. The Golf shoes support a specific function, besides that Pool is not a sport in the sense of Basketball, Football etc.

So there is no simple answer, and there are numerous tournaments where players participate in casual clothing, so why is Pool not reaching full potential?

I would say the other cue sports show the way, and sometimes "new" is not the "progressive" or at least the best approach...

Petros

I actually asked Thorsten his thought and he stated that the clothes should fit the function and he thought Logo'd Golf Shirts, Casual Slacks and black leather tennis shoes should the norm.. He didn't mind playing in a vest and dress shoes but he felt they were not conducive to pool...
 
So it's garbage when I say it but they say the same thing and it makes sense because they can draw their ball. Makes sense..




Does Ralf wear appreciate shoes for participating in a sport? I've only seen him in dress shoes.

LOL it's not garbage when you say it but it has no more validity than my opinion that dress pants, button down shirt, dress shoes and vest are appropriate... They however are the professionals that play on the TV table and draw what gate there is so yeah cause they can draw their ball =) ...

As far as Ralf's shoes I guess he likely does wear rubber soled dress shoes... I have seen countless videos where he is adjusting his dress socks while in the chair and I do not recall ever seeing him in athletic style shoes but I would think it could have happened....

I think black or brown solid colored athletic shoes should be allowed for comfort and for the slippage factor when stretching for a shot... To me that's a small concession that is worth it from a performance stand point...
 
It's funny how close minded people can be. Either you're in a tux or a bum. One or the other lol.

The people in this game really hold it back.

Whatever. Pool is not sporty. It is a highly competitive activity, but there is little physical excertion. You don't need shorts, not running shoes, not t-shirts or tank tops or tights. If you feel you have to dress like that, get the guy running the poolroom to turn on the AC! If you are in the Phillipines, playing a money match in some tin shack with extreme temperature and humidity, then that's a different matter.

Nobody ever needed their pants around their ankles for pool and you don't need a tux either. I happen to think polo shirt and slacks are a good compromise between looks and comfort and I think gangster style of clothing or overly athletic clothing look stupid. There actually was an episode of "Community" where the Jeff character refused to wear shorts playing pool (which the PE teacher forced them to wear), because it looks so damned stupid. This is the only clip I can find.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=587_und_Qys
 
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Whatever. Pool is not sporty. It is a highly competitive activity, but there is little physical excertion. You don't need shorts, not running shoes, not t-shirts or tank tops or tights. If you feel you have to dress like that, get the guy running the poolroom to turn on the AC! If you are in the Phillipines, playing a money match in some tin shack with extreme temperature and humidity, then that's a different matter.

Nobody ever needed their pants around their ankles for pool and you don't need a tux either. I happen to think polo shirt and slacks are a good compromise between looks and comfort and I think gangster style of clothing or overly athletic clothing looks stupid. There actually was an episode of "Community" where the Jeff character refused to wear shorts playing pool (which the PE teacher forced them to wear), because it looks so damned stupid. This is the only clip I can find.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=587_und_Qys

I can tell you not only from personal experience but from the professionals I've spoke with, you cannot play your best in formal clothing. Golf has little physical excretion as well and you wouldn't golf your best in formal clothing either. Sorry.
 
I can tell you not only from personal experience but from the professionals I've spoke with, you cannot play your best in formal clothing. Golf has little physical excretion as well and you wouldn't golf your best in formal clothing either. Sorry.

The Golf "opening shot" includes a motion which is far more "extended" than most in Pool stroking. Apart from that, not everything pros state is "golden rule". Many players, pros and semi-pros would prefer to play tournaments in totally casual clothing, even today's usual tournament dress code is "too much" for them. That doesn't mean this is the right direction, hard to come to a final conclusion though.
I've been playing and watching tournaments for 28 years, I remember already in the '90s players used formal shoes with soft soles, no problem there.
Players appeared in formal clothing and were able to run consecutive racks just fine. There was much respect to the game back then, and that's an element that needs to be restored, it's not the same these days.
 
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