US Open censors Quick-Clean

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david hodges

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I was disturbed today to find out that Quick-Clean had been removed from the vender?s booths at The US Open. When one of my distributors complained to Barry about not being able to sell Quick-Clean, Barry told him that it was his tournament and either get it off his table or pack up and go home. I understand that Chalk-Off is the cleaner of the Open, even though last year I went at Barry Behrman?s request to clean the tables because Chalk-Off wouldn?t work. I thought that was wrong to ask me to do it when he makes Chalk-Off the official cleaner but I went and helped him out of a jam. This year I couldn?t do it for him because it just not right. Now to find out that Barry has made the venders remove Quick-Clean from their booths is a slap in the face. I have been a vender with Barry for more than 20 years. I think that it is wrong that Barry and Rob Sykora would censor what you are buying. Quick-Clean, Chalk-Off, whatever, it should be your choice. To my venders out there, I am sorry that you are denied the chance to make a living because of these types of careless actions. To my customers at the US Open I apologize that the venders at the US Open are not allowed to sell you Quick-Clean. I am also embarrassed about the false and misleading advertising done by Rob Sykora and BCNTV trying to convince you that Chalk-Off and Quick-Clean are the same. Let me assure you that the two products are not the same. We had Quick-Clean tested By Simonis Cloth and Ivan Lee himself said that it was a safe cleaner for their cloth. Bernard Bollette of Simonis said that they do not recommend using Chalk-Off to clean their cloth. I do hope that the tournaments that I go to, that the venders be not censored by the promoter. Please let me see everything you have and I will make the choice what to buy. This type of careless action hurts you and me and the whole industry.
 
Not to take sides, but as a devil's advocate: Barry might have a contract with Chalk-Off as the only sponsorred cleaner. If so, Barry might be opening himself up for a lawsuit if Quick-Clean is allowed in. This isn't unheard of in corporate sponsorship - Coke and Pepsi come to mind.

Maybe he wasn't as tactful as he could have been though...

-td
 
Wow, am I the only one that gets annoyed with these vendors coming to azb to publicize their business disputes?


Use bottom right and go three rails!
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Wow, am I the only one that gets annoyed with these vendors coming to azb to publicize their business disputes?


Use bottom right and go three rails!
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You are the only one who gets bothered by a lot of stuff.........
 
David, I'm curious who are the other vendors that are there???

PoolTees was denied a space on account that Q-Masters/US Open/Barry/whoever... had some sort of arrangement with another shirt vendor. Not sure if that meant to make US Open shirts or just someone else with a 1-apparel vendor only deal.
 
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The apparel booth is Barry’s booth for the US Open clothing. The other venders are the usual venders that are there. There are no venders selling any type of pool table cleaner. Chalk-Off doesn’t have a booth and the other venders are not allowed to sell Quick-Clean.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Wow, am I the only one that gets annoyed with these vendors coming to azb to publicize their business disputes?


Use bottom right and go three rails!
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I am bothered by a lot of things too (lol), but this thread being posted isn't one of them. From the past threads on here, I believe Mr. Hodges has a legitimate gripe against Chalk Off. I thought there was supposed to be a lawsuit, but I never heard how it turned out.

Here is the first old thread about this:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=18729

The video in that thread has been removed. However, I watched it before it was removed, and sure enough, Mr. Hodges' advertisement for Quick-Clean was dubbed over with audio promoting Chalk Off. That, along with the images and testimonials in the other threads, was enough for me to believe Mr. Hodges' side of the story.

If the other claims are true as well, we, as consumers of pool products, have a right to know. The other claims being that Chalk Off requires a warning about being a hazardous chemical and that Chalk Off is allegedly bad for your cloth. If it doesn't even work, and you're just breathing in toxic fumes, what's the point? I'm not stating that I know those claims to be true, but the threads were convincing enough for me. For my money, I'm staying on the safe side and going with Quick Clean. Here are those other threads:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=48774
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=16132
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=51620
 
The US Open isn't a publicly funded event, its a private business entity. As such he is perfectly within his rights to sign exclusive contract deals with whoever he wants. This allows the US Open to negotiate a higher contract price with Title Sponsors. You were not being censored, you just were outbid for a business deal. Happens all the time.

Next time stack it up higher on the light! You will get the action instead of Chalk Off.
 
Cuebacca said:
I am bothered by a lot of things too (lol), but this thread being posted isn't one of them. From the past threads on here, I believe Mr. Hodges has a legitimate gripe against Chalk Off. I thought there was supposed to be a lawsuit, but I never heard how it turned out.

Here is the first old thread about this:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=18729

The video in that thread has been removed. However, I watched it before it was removed, and sure enough, Mr. Hodges' advertisement for Quick-Clean was dubbed over with audio promoting Chalk Off. That, along with the images and testimonials in the other threads, was enough for me to believe Mr. Hodges' side of the story.

If the other claims are true as well, we, as consumers of pool products, have a right to know. The other claims being that Chalk Off requires a warning about being a hazardous chemical and that Chalk Off is allegedly bad for your cloth. If it doesn't even work, and you're just breathing in toxic fumes, what's the point? I'm not stating that I know those claims to be true, but the threads were convincing enough for me. For my money, I'm staying on the safe side and going with Quick Clean. Here are those other threads:

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=48774
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=16132
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=51620
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I'm not arguing he does or doesn't have a gripe. However, who are we to judge? I know NOTHING about either deal or their history. The US Open is currently in progress so the people involved on the other side of this decision are currently busy.

If this were a lawsuit, both lawyers would tell their clients to stay out of the forums and shut-up. As a forum member, I think we all can agree it's the political bs that gets very annoying. I mean, no matter which side you were on with Grady and the Straight Pool Championships, it had to pain you a little that the argument was even taking place in front of us.

I mean, when I do business with someone, it's private. I don't immediately jump on the forums the moment things don't go my way. That's just not fair, especially when the other party is not actively participating in the forum.
 
david hodges said:
The apparel booth is Barry?s booth for the US Open clothing. The other venders are the usual venders that are there. There are no venders selling any type of pool table cleaner. Chalk-Off doesn?t have a booth and the other venders are not allowed to sell Quick-Clean.
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thank you. no worries then.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
If this were a lawsuit, both lawyers would tell their clients to stay out of the forums and shut-up. As a forum member, I think we all can agree it's the political bs that gets very annoying. I mean, when I do business with someone, it's private. I don't immediately jump on the forums the moment things don't go my way. That's just not fair, especially when the other party is not actively participating in the forum.
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JR,
Nah, this forum will never "all agree" on anything.

In this case, I am with Cuebaca; the Chalk-Off guys are rip-off artists; being assisted by BCN in the past, and by Behrman now.

I applaud David for bringing it to our attention. I am NOT in favor of leaving all problems and disputes to the lawyers; and I am NOT in favor of ignoring all problems just because one party doesn't participate in the forum (for example: I don't recall Kevin Trudeau posting a lot here; but I do believe complaints about his behavior are appropriate for the forum to discuss, even if he chooses to be silent).

Too many people hide behind the lawyers, and thrive on denying the obvious; this case is fairly cut and dried to anyone who saw the initial video.....no lawyer can convince me that I didn't see it.

I personally wouldn't use Chalk-Off if you gave me a truckload - I'll vote with my pocket book.
 
Williebetmore said:
Too many people hide behind the lawyers, and thrive on denying the obvious; this case is fairly cut and dried to anyone who saw the initial video.....no lawyer can convince me that I didn't see it.

I personally wouldn't use Chalk-Off if you gave me a truckload - I'll vote with my pocket book.
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Wait, are we talking about a right to sell at the US Open or a doctored video? This thread, at least how I understood it, was directed at the US Open, not competing Chalk-Off.

I mean, this happens ALL THE TIME now. Someone starts a thread sounding off about how they've been cheated, we all chime in then a week later, the other party does the same and suddenly new and damning evidence surfaces. Like I said, who the hell are we to judge either way? If someone's been wronged, you get your lawyers in it. That's what lawyers do. It just seems so unprofessional to me. In my world, you make business partners over dinner and wine, not through accusations on billiard forums.
 
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