Keith Buck said:
It is a semantic argument. The Norfolk USOpen is understood to be gender specific, whil the Women's Open put it in the title.
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It is a semantic argument. The Norfolk USOpen is understood to be gender specific, whil the Women's Open put it in the title.
Black-Balled said:
You still haven't given a logical reason why you need to have a Men's US Open. There is a reason to have a Women's US Open.
Now if you didn't allow any women as spectators either and it was just an excuse to have a frat party with strippers and porno flicks and other things you wouldn't want the wife to be there for then that would be a good reason.
Keith Buck said:You still haven't given a logical reason why you need to have a Men's US Open. There is a reason to have a Women's US Open.
Now if you didn't allow any women as spectators either and it was just an excuse to have a frat party with strippers and porno flicks and other things you wouldn't want the wife to be there for then that would be a good reason.
I suppose the best reason is because that's the way the promoter who puts up all the money wants it.
Since we have a Women's US Open, and a Men's US Open, maybe someone should hold a US Bi-gender Open.
Steve
pooltchr said:
I wasn't arguing that it was illegal for Barry to have a Men's US Open or that he should be forced to allow women to enter but since you had to fall back on that line I will assume that you don't have a logical reason why you need to have a Men's US Open.
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Black-Balled said:
Keith Buck said:
Yes, he was joking. He happens to be a very nice, well mannered, family man that happens to be facetious on occasion. BB, I personally laughed out loud when I read your post.
As to the rest of Keith's quote.... I personally don't believe that there has to be a "logical explanation". When Barry started this event 30+ yrs ago there weren't as many women playing pool back then and most of them were not as gung ho to play the men as some are today. The times have changed but the rules remain the same. I guess if he had started it in this day and age, maybe he would've called it the Men's US Open. Regardless of whether someone likes it or not, that's the way it is, it's Barry's tournament & his alone. Like him or not, it's his event.
I'm sure if you were to put your money up and start your own Men's & Women's US Open, you would be more than welcome to do so. His money, his tourney, his choice of gender, his choice in naming the event. This is a privately owned event, so he can do as he pleases. You don't have to like it or participate in it if you don't want to.
Like Wendy, I like it the way that it is. I've got some good female friends that play pool and I support them and cheer them on but I don't particularly like to watch women's pool. The majority of them play slower and miss more than the men. I don't find that appealing...
The NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB.... none of these state a gender in their titles but you don't see women playing in those either. Does this also make you angry?
Quote"Like Wendy, I like it the way that it is. I've got some good female friends that play pool and I support them and cheer them on but I don't particularly like to watch women's pool. The majority of them play slower and miss more than the men. I don't find that appealing..."quote
Then you never saw Jasmin playing.... i think the men are afraid playing her!
Then you never saw Jasmin playing.... i think the men are afraid playing her!
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Timberly
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I've seen her play and I totally respect her game and I enjoyed watching her play. There are a few others like her that play that good, & fast.... they're in the minority.MyraCurfs said:
Just out of curiosity, where did you see that it said that she didn't know if she could play in the open or not? The reason I ask is because I can understand her not knowing if she's going to be invited to play in the women's open
but I have a hard time understanding why she doesn't already know that she can't play in the US Open, which has been men only since well before she was born.
MyraCurfs said:
I am sure she could play at DCC in January.
If she's ready to play with the big boys, that's a good place to start.
Keith Buck said:You still haven't given a logical reason why you need to have a Men's US Open. There is a reason to have a Women's US Open..
I think I know, but please tell me the reason you refer to...
Timberly said:I've seen her play and I totally respect her game and I enjoyed watching her play. There are a few others like her that play that good, & fast.... they're in the minority.
Just out of curiosity, where did you see that it said that she didn't know if she could play in the open or not? The reason I ask is because I can understand her not knowing if she's going to be invited to play in the women's open
Well Jasmin is a friend of mine! She told me that she wasn''t shure yet if she could play! Even for the womens us open.... so the discussion about the mens open is fun, but it's not the whole issue... she's not shure of playing the womens either! The exact reason we, she, i don't know! I hope it will be figured out in the beginning of september tough!
Jasmin and Ga-Young are two excellent female players that I would love to see match up with men. Why? Because these 2 players, IMO, play like men--offensively, deliberately, etc. If you put some of the other women in with the men, I think it would make for a boring Open. This is why I don't really watch the women on TV or follow much of the women pros because I get bored (the women do have game though and I can't deny that). But thats just my opinion and its not my cup of tea, except for when you have players like the 2 that I mentioned.
Myra, will Jasmin be in the states in September? If so, may I suggest that she play on the Joss tour? Thats a tour that is chock full of excellent male players, and Karen Corr and Julie Kelly are frequent contenders as well.MyraCurfs said:
Keith Buck said:
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I will figure it out for Jasmine in 2006: Win Women's US Open. Not play the Norfolk event.
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I'm not sure what's up with the alignment of the stars today but Wendy is sitting in NYC literally typing out what's going through my mind... kinda freaky seeing your exact thoughts written by someone else that you haven't talked to about this!9 Ball Girl said:
MyraCurfs said:
Black-Balled just gave you the answer. She will not be playing in Norfolk/Chesapeake (don't want to confuse people. They're pretty much one & the same. Just depends on how picky one wants to get about street addresses).Black-Balled said:
Jasmin & Ga Young are two women that wouldn't bother me to play in the open but letting one in would open the flood gates & most would want to play. From what I understand, she competes with the men in Austria.... she'll have to accept that and let the US Open go. There are plenty of other tournaments in the states where she could compete against the top men players (Turning stone). I don't see why any woman wants to make a big stink about the Open, other than to simply complain about it because they're not allowed to play. If the real, true reason is because they want to compete with the men.... there are other avenues to pursue that can help them achieve their goal. JMO
What can I say? Great minds think alike!Timberly said:I'm not sure what's up with the alignment of the stars today but Wendy is sitting in NYC literally typing out what's going through my mind... kinda freaky seeing your exact thoughts written by someone else that you haven't talked to about this!
Steve, I've seen Kelly Fisher play and the girl can play. But, IMO, her style is a little different than Jas' and Ga Young's. I do like to see the up and comers though.pooltchr said:
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TheOne said:
No, I am a big fan of FAIRNESS. It's not FAIR for you to play in a tournament that is full of C players because you will ROB them. It's not FAIR for the best men to play against the women on the women's tour because the men will ROB them.
Why will the men rob them? Because, ONCE AGAIN, there are MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY more WORLD CLASS men than there are WORLD CLASS women players. "World Class" having NOTHING to do with GENDER and EVERYTHING to do with pure skill and ability.
Allison Fisher plays WORLD CLASS, as does Kelly Fisher, Jeanette Lee, Monica Webb, and Karen Corr. There are perhaps 10 ladies on the women's tour that play World Class. Conversely there are hundreds of men in the world who play WORLD CLASS.
Perhaps you think it's fair if you get to compete with players who are far below your skill level. I don't. In just about every sport there are classes and divisions. In some sports a player can try to play in divisions above their level just by entering them while in others a player must earn the privilege of playing in those divisions.
There are chess tournaments that are OPEN to ANYONE who is rated 1600 and below. ( I just used 1600 arbitrarily) Should the grandmasters be allowed to play in this tournament? No they shouldn't. Should the winner of the 1600 and below tournament be allowed to play in the Grandmaster tounament? Of course.
I don't know how I can make this any clearer. Anyone who thinks that it is somehow FAIR for men to be allowed to play in women's tournaments and for women to be excluded from men's events is just not in touch with reality. When there are THE SAME AMOUNT OF WOMEN playing pool as men on the planet then I will agree that there should not be any tournament's where either gender is excluded.
John
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Timberly said:I'm not sure what's up with the alignment of the stars today but Wendy is sitting in NYC literally typing out what's going through my mind... kinda freaky seeing your exact thoughts written by someone else that you haven't talked to about this!
Black-Balled just gave you the answer. She will not be playing in Norfolk/Chesapeake (don't want to confuse people. They're pretty much one & the same. Just depends on how picky one wants to get about street addresses).
Jasmin & Ga Young are two women that wouldn't bother me to play in the open but letting one in would open the flood gates & most would want to play. From what I understand, she competes with the men in Austria.... she'll have to accept that and let the US Open go. There are plenty of other tournaments in the states where she could compete against the top men players (Turning stone). I don't see why any woman wants to make a big stink about the Open, other than to simply complain about it because they're not allowed to play. If the real, true reason is because they want to compete with the men.... there are other avenues to pursue that can help them achieve their goal. JMO
You're right - there are other avenues and those are ones that aren't sexist and discriminatory like Barry Behrman's US Open is. I find it funny that two otherwise smart women would stand up and say that it's okay to exclude women from an event such as the US Open, when Barry will take money(entry fee) from a comatose person who happens to have a penis. I would love to see Barry's face if a woman were to dress as a man and WIN THE US OPEN.
If I were a woman player I would sue for the right to compete in the US OPEN simply because I don't believe that Barry should have the right to discriminate based on gender. I belive that he should have the right to discriminate based on SKILL. Make everyone qualify for the open. Then let the best players in regardless of gender.
John