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I don't get all of the US open named tournaments lately. Shouldn't it be called the us bartable championship. It is on a toy box table. There's only one real U.S. open nine ball / one pocket / ten ball and its on a 9ft table. Why the confusion I mean they don't have a British open in miniature golf do they?
 
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You don't have to look very far to see that this has been discussed to death.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=403004

Bottom line is, unless someone does something better, there will be nothing better.
Spend more money to bring bigger tables = smaller payouts.
Bring smaller tables= larger payouts.
A lot of players simply want more money.
 
Mr. Bond said:
You don't have to look very far to see that this has been discussed to death.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=403004

Bottom line is, unless someone does something better, there will be nothing better.
Spend more money to bring bigger tables = smaller payouts.
Bring smaller tables= larger payouts.
A lot of players simply want more money.
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The 7 foot diamond tables costs more than the 9 footers from what I understand.
 
sebroy9 said:
The 7 foot diamond tables costs more than the 9 footers from what I understand.
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You might be right, I don't really know, but the tables aren't purchased for the event, they are rented, meaning that the bulk of the expense is shipping them, the number of trucks (and fuel) needed to do so, and the amount of room they take up, both in the trucks and on the floor.

I'm not defending the use of 7ft tables, but I do understand that there is a very considerable difference in the cost of using 9ft vs 7ft.

Whats the solution? Higher entry fees? Lower payouts?

Hard place -[CSI] -Rock
 
There is a reason that the four major golf championships are played on tough courses. Those courses are meant to test the entire skill set of the player who eventually wins the event. The golfer who wins must possess all the elements of a great golfer on a great course. Is this the case for pool players on 7 footers? The Rio event is a good one and the players should be thankful that Mark Griffin and company has seen fit to put the program together for the pro's. I'm sure not playing on the 9 footers is some kind of business decision. I suspect that over time the international stars will not find the time to compete in this event if it continues to be played on 7 footers. We seem to be going down a road with the 7 footers where only two or three games will be able to be played. Those would be 8,9 or 10 ball. So maybe we should play major league golf on PAR 3's or at Golf n' Stuff and call it a championship. What's the difference anyway?
 
I do not understand all the hate against pro's playing on bar tables, especially with tight pockets. They are two completely different games. I would rather watch the good players handle clusters and play strategy then see break and runs on a 9ft table with more room to work the table.
 
Mr. Bond said:
... Spend more money to bring bigger tables = smaller payouts.
Bring smaller tables= larger payouts.
A lot of players simply want more money.
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2015 US Open 10-Ball Championship, on 7-footers
- 77 entrants
- Entry fee $350
- Prize money $38,100

2013 US Open 10-Ball Championship, on 9-footers (no event in 2014)
- 94 entrants
- Entry fee $500? $600? not sure
- Prize money $68,200
 
I think the root problem is there is no unification of the sport. If the pro's only played one game, which today seems to be 10 ball, there would only be ONE US Open, ONE World Championship, etc.

As it is, there is currently and very recently a US Open for 8 ball, 9 ball, 10 ball, One Pocket, and there is a world championship for 8 ball, 9 ball, 10 ball, and Straight Pool (when there was enough money).

I wonder if we'd be better off playing only one game on the professional tournament level, and combining all the money from the other game into that single game. Just a thought, I certainly don't have the answers:) But to even consider something like this, the whole sport needs to be unified.
 
AtLarge said:
2015 US Open 10-Ball Championship, on 7-footers
- 77 entrants
- Entry fee $350
- Prize money $38,100

2013 US Open 10-Ball Championship, on 9-footers (no event in 2014)
- 94 entrants
- Entry fee $500? $600? not sure
- Prize money $68,200
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I understand the point you're trying to make, but I think those numbers don't tell the whole story. For example, just the difference in entrants and entry fees accounts for almost 10k alone. How many 9ft tables were there? How much was the overhead for space used, is truck rental, table rental, mileage more or less..etc. Either way, most people can understand that using literally half the number of trucks and fuel is a huge savings no matter how you slice it.

That being said, for the record, I personally don't like 7ft tables. IMO all pro pool should be played on 10ft. :)
 
iusedtoberich said:
I think the root problem is there is no unification of the sport. If the pro's only played one game, which today seems to be 10 ball, there would only be ONE US Open, ONE World Championship, etc.

As it is, there is currently and very recently a US Open for 8 ball, 9 ball, 10 ball, One Pocket, and there is a world championship for 8 ball, 9 ball, 10 ball, and Straight Pool (when there was enough money).

I wonder if we'd be better off playing only one game on the professional tournament level, and combining all the money from the other game into that single game. Just a thought, I certainly don't have the answers:) But to even consider something like this, the whole sport needs to be unified.
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This is for sure worth a discussion for an idea. not saying its the answer but unification would look like a great place to start. All major sports play by unified rules as well as unified systems. I do hat using the goif analogy but with the exception of a few events, they play stroke play so maybe pro level pool can look at a dicipline to be the standard tour game? I think there is merit to that suggestion
 
Funny everyone complaining about tournaments played in the U.S. on Diamond 7 footers, but no mention that the recent China Open was played on 9 foot tables that had pockets the size of manhole covers. I saw shots hit half-way up the rail fall in. The pockets were like sewers on those tables used in the China Open.

Would much rather watch pool on a tight 7 ft. Diamond then the sloppy pockets used in China.
 
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OLD NO 9 said:
Funny everyone complaining about tournaments played in the U.S. on Diamond 7 footers, but no mention that the recent China Open was played on 9 foot tables that had pockets the size of manhole covers. I saw shots hit half-way up the rail fall in. The pockets were like sewers, on those tables used in the China Open.

Would much rather watch pool on a tight 7 ft. Diamond then the sloppy pockets used in China.
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You're interrupting the circle jerk.
 
AtLarge said:
2015 US Open 10-Ball Championship, on 7-footers
- 77 entrants
- Entry fee $350
- Prize money $38,100

2013 US Open 10-Ball Championship, on 9-footers (no event in 2014)
- 94 entrants
- Entry fee $500? $600? not sure
- Prize money $68,200
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Last year was 10 ball on the 10 foot tables/Bigfoot challenge...



Rob.M
 
dontlitethat said:
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Last year was 10 ball on the 10 foot tables/Bigfoot challenge...



Rob.M
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The Bigfoot events on 10-footers are part of the Derby City Classic each January in southern Indiana, promoted by Diamond Billiards. Two Bigfoot events were also held at the Southern Classic in Mississippi, also promoted by Diamond Billiards, in 2012 and 2013.

The US Open 10-Ball Championship, promoted by CueSports International (CSI), began in 2010 in Las Vegas. It was held annually through 2013, on 9-foot tables. Its counterpart in 8-Ball began in 2013. In 2014, CSI did not hold a US Open 10-Ball Championship (nor its twin in 8-Ball), but, instead, held a 16-player CSI Invitational 10-Ball Championship (and its twin in 8-Ball) on 9-footers. This year CSI resumed the US Open 10-Ball Championship (and its 8-Ball twin), but using 7-foot tables instead of 9-footers.
 
no offense to the people who like barbox play but its not what a major championship should be.there are plent of barbox events for that.major events sb played on 9ft or better well equipped tables snug or tight pockets and a consistent rack.
 
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