USBA Jr and Women's Accounting

Dieck-a-man

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I am starting a new thread on the subject of what some refer to as The Orphan’s and Widow’s Fund and the monies there-in.
HISTORICAL FACT: This fund would not exist unless Jerry Karsh had not appointed me to head a USBA Committee on Jr Billiards, but he did and monies in the fund were personally collect by me from many donors with the understanding that these monies would be used for certain purposes AND FOR CERTAIN PURPOSES ONLY.
HISTROICAL FACT: in asking for donations for the juniors some people did not want to give to the juniors but indicated that they would give money for Women’s Billiard Program and thus Jerry decided to rename the committee I chaired The Women’s and Junior’s Competition Committee [or something like that]. AND THUS THE FUNDS BEGAN TO BE CO-MINGLED, against my advice I might add, I WANTED TWO FUNDS, but Jerry and later Bob vetoed that, something about: “The Sec/Treas is to busy as it is….one fund might even be too much for him to handle”. And that has proved to be the case.
HISTORICAL FACT: I have an accounting of all monies donated, from whom, and what they were spent on. The Current S/T of the USBA should have those figures in his records as these monies were routed through that office with the previous S/T’s cutting me a check whenever I needed an invoice paid. If those records cannot be found it is an organizational failure and not my own. Quick and dirty, naming no names nor amounts, here is an accounting of all funds:
INCOME FROM DONATIONS EXPENSES

$1500 Jr. USBA Nationals, Detroit, 2003 $1800
$6000 Jr. USBA Nationals, Detroit, 2005 $1200
$0000 Jr. USBA Nationals, NYC, 2007 $2000
$6500 USBA Women’s, Louisville, 2008 $7000
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$14500 $12000
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SURPLUS $2500
The $2500 surplus in the fund, based on the wishes of the donors, should be applied to Jr. Billiards only, and only Jr. Billiards as you can see by the above figures. There is no money in the fund for Women’s Billiards as some seem to think.
INCOME FROM DONATIONS: Many donated a few a lot most a little but in the end it got the job done….and everybody who did donate requested anonymity.
EXPENSES: For the Jrs money was spent for commemorative shirts for the players, EVERYBODY got a neat glass paperweight trophy, some per diem money and a banquet [a la SANG LEE] after the event. NO PRIZE MONEY was ever paid to a junior as that was The UMB’s [AND MY!!!] mandate. During these years we sent two different Jr Champions and one Woman’s Champion to represent America in worlds play AND PAID FOR ALL OF THEIR EXPENSES to do so. As you can see from the above balance sheet the Women’s event cost more than we had in donations, which I made up from out of my own pocket.
HISTORICAL FACT: one of my plans as president of The USBA was to have not just one committee and just not one fund, but two of each. The former was easy, one of my first acts as president was to appoint Bob Byrne as The Chair of The Women’s Competition Committee and Felipe Razon as The Chair of The Jr. Competition Committee. They both accepted and what they have done since I do not know.
 
Dennis,

Thank you for the historical perspective on this. And also thanks to you and the others that donated to this fund.

This is the third time that you have broached this subject.

With all due respect, therefore what? What is it that the USBA can do to assuage your concerns?
 
Dieckman this a no nonsense issue. USBA minutes and finanical statement would show and back up what you post. But since you're a nonmember of USBA. The present USBA President,Secretary/Treasurer, and BOD Members will have the deciding vote on how the fund is handle. DD Life must go on, it the USBA future at stake. I see no future in this issue.
 
Bob

If there's no future in this issue then there is no future with the USBA promoting the Juniors and Women. If the Juniors money is spent it shows to me that the USBA is not concerned with the future of the game. Kids need to be pushed in our direction and without seed money and an active effort by some recognized organization, the game will literally die off.

Maybe we'll have to cut our losses and solicit past donors for the CCC program.
 
Tom.... This issue of FUND on Hand for Jr/Women and how USBA will use it ... will also show the direction USBA really want to go or grow.

Question ... Where are the junior now from 2003,2005,and 2006. Or the Women players from 2008? Any gain, the same or only lose?
 
Tom.... This issue of FUND on Hand for Jr/Women and how USBA will use it ... will also show the direction USBA really want to go or grow.

Agreed. That's what I was trying to say.

Question ... Where are the junior now from 2003,2005,and 2006. Or the Women players from 2008? Any gain, the same or only lose?



Good question. Where are they and how are they progressing. Do they have help? Do they want help?
Who in their town is willing to step up, if no one has? I don't believe under the USBA Constitution that
monies can be put to this purpose. They can although organize sanctioned tournaments.


Hmmmm. I haven't seen one on the schedule??? Are we working on that?
 
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I think biiliardshot and 3kushn are on to something with the USBA. There are strange goings on with the leadership of this organization.

I hope billiardshot and 3kushn can trigger an investigation into suspicious looking members that may not have been elected by it's membership.

Where are Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward when we need them?

See for yourselves: http://www.usba.net/bod2.asp
 
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Zensteve... The Biggest Problem USBA .... Got .. is when this RatF@@Ker decide no more 3C awareness. Specially for USBA. Where will USBA really be??????

Not one word about USBA B TOUR at Carom Cafe this weekend, by any USBA BOD, President, Secretary/Treasurer or any USBA Members period. And Azers' could of watch its' at caromtv. Shame , shame . shame ..Zensteve

But they can change BOD Pictures on USBA website. Funny there no Bio for BOD...

But Cannot Honor a request ...when Ermanno S. post the below in another post on AZ.

Effective immediately, I hereby withdraw my membership, to include my position as USBA Pin Division Director, and my room affiliation from the USBA.

Ermanno
But yet BestBilliardlv is still shown on USBA link section [Other billiards website]?????

Zensteve: I hope billiardshot and 3kushn can trigger an investigation

Do you really want us to??? It be the closer of USBA. I' m not at the liberty to say WHY!! and if you are smart you won't ask!!!

This why I'm # 1 Non Member of USBA. Funny part, I never ask any thing from USBA, they got nothing to give....
 
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Humor is usually the best antidote when any of us take ourselves too seriously. At least for many of us.

What is it about the human psyche that thirsts to find the bogeyman for our lot in life.

The reason billiards is not as successful as it could be is because _______ (fill in the blank).

List of bogeymen to help fill in the blank.

a. lack of sponsorship
b. video games
c. game is too slow for our attention span
d. the USBA is a conspiring organization made up of fools
e. there are no stripes or numbers on the balls
f. not enough people take surveys on AZ Billiards
g. it is not mentioned in the bible
h. live-streaming is not at every tournament
i. the person posting this is delusional

This is a joke poking fun at all of us ( especially myself )
 
Usba

Just my humble opinion, but all this bull#%*@ about who has done what with, the USBA funds and them not doing anything for members, is begining to fry my @$$,

If your not happy with the USBA then get the hell out and and start your own organization. This is the only thing that we have going for us members at this moment and most of the people that I've met over the last 15 years thru tournaments and just playing in different parts of the country have been good people. The people who want to play 3-c and enjoy the game, are members who pay their dues and are happy with being able to have tables in their area to play on.

This game is dying in some areas because the pool rooms where we learned to play, are closing and the teachers are few.

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Pardon my ignorance, but isn't this WHY we are trying to raise hell? to fight for the game that we love? Sure, jump ship from the USBA and start a new organization. that's definitely an option. if somebody can do this and create a new one that has plenty of tournaments for me to go to i'm in. unfortunately for me, all the tournaments that are within 5 hours driving distance are all USBA. I would prefer them to just get their act together so we don't have to go through the hassel of creating a new one. but if that's what it takes to get this game thriving in the US then i'm in.
 
Hi Dru,

you: Pardon my ignorance, but isn't this WHY we are trying to raise hell?

me: raise hell with whom?

you: to fight for the game that we love?

me: with whom are you fighting against? Do the people you are "fighting against" love the game or just not as much as you?

you: I would prefer them to just get their act together so we don't have to go through the hassel of creating a new one. but if that's what it takes to get this game thriving in the US then i'm in.

me: Is the game not thriving because the USBA can't get there act together? You over-estimate what the USBA can do.

Conclusion: raise hell, fight, point fingers, or do what you think you need to do. Nothing wrong with being frustrated. I would humbly suggest your tactics may be counter-productive.
 
Okay Zensteve straight forward question to an USBA BOD Member-You.

Question: How many USBA members___ Are Qualified and up to date with their Qualification to referee/abitrator an UMB Tournament if held in USA or even a PanAmerica Tournament?

When was the last time USBA/UMB Referee Training were done in The United States?

Where are the fund/program for must training ?
 
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Bob,

you: Question: How many USBA members___ Are Qualified and up to date with their Qualification to referee/abitrator an UMB Tournament if held in USA or even a PanAmerica Tournament.

me: I don't know. I can check but if I had to guess I would say very very few.

you: When was the last time USBA/UMB Referee Training were done in The United States?

me: I don't know. My guess would be 2003?

you: Where are the fund/program for must training ?

me: To my knowledge there isn't one.

Question to Bob: At the Nationals this year what if

1.the annual meeting was live-streamed?

2.members(or in your case non-member) could ask questions via chat with the President and the Secretary?

Isn't communication one of the keys?
 
Question to Bob: At the Nationals this year what if

1.the annual meeting was live-streamed?

ANS: Not a bad thought... Either if only to explain what projects been work on for 2011.

2.members(or in your case non-member) could ask questions via chat with the President and the Secretary?

Ans: Would they answer questions or just double talk and say No Fund or time for that!!

Isn't communication one of the keys?

Ans: They would have to clean wax out of their ears!!!


Oh!!! your answer to my questions about referee were close to been right. I wonder how many still have an UMB Referee Badge or a Certification. I wonder what certification are given to USBA Referee or even 3C instuctors, as in other associations?
 
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Steve,

That is an EXCELLENT idea!!!

Have the annual members' meeting live-streamed! This way we can communicate with ALL the members (or at least those that are interested).

Answer questions asked through the chat!

Beautiful. I love it. We should definitely do it!!!



Billiardshot,

Regrading your question about BestBilliardsLV and why it is still on the list of billiard rooms nationwide:

Every billiard room with carom tables is listed, including Best Billiards LV.

Mr. Scalas was referring to our initial agreement to become a USBA "Room Member". He was saying to cancel the room membership.
 
Zensteve... The Biggest Problem USBA .... Got .. is when this RatF@@Ker decide no more 3C awareness. Specially for USBA. Where will USBA really be??????

Not one word about USBA B TOUR at Carom Cafe this weekend, by any USBA BOD, President, Secretary/Treasurer or any USBA Members period. And Azers' could of watch its' at caromtv. Shame , shame . shame ..Zensteve

But they can change BOD Pictures on USBA website. Funny there no Bio for BOD...

But Cannot Honor a request ...when Ermanno S. post the below in another post on AZ.

But yet BestBilliardlv is still shown on USBA link section [Other billiards website]?????

Zensteve: I hope billiardshot and 3kushn can trigger an investigation

Do you really want us to??? It be the closer of USBA. I' m not at the liberty to say WHY!! and if you are smart you won't ask!!!

This why I'm # 1 Non Member of USBA. Funny part, I never ask any thing from USBA, they got nothing to give....

But yet BestBilliardlv is still shown on USBA link section [Other billiards website]?????

Jim quote:
Billiardshot: Regrading your question about BestBilliardsLV and why it is still on the list of billiard rooms nationwide:

Every billiard room with carom tables is listed, including Best Billiards LV.

Mr. Scalas was referring to our initial agreement to become a USBA "Room Member". He was saying to cancel the room membership.

J. Shovak: Your statement above is correct. About the Listing of Billiard Rooms Nationwide [Actually only in the United States]

But I'm talking about this link: http://www.usba.net/OtherBilliardWebsites.asp These websites would be supporters of USBA!!!

Not this Link: http://www.usba.net/USBABilliardRoomsHome.asp

Sorry You misread, Jim.
 
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Bob,

If anyone should be miffed it should be me. Notice my website is not on the list. www.trafficcontrolcaroms.com

Maybe Jim doesn't want directors promoting their own site. My salary from the USBA more than covers any short fall in not being listed.

Or maybe just maybe everyone is out to get me! People are definitely following me and talking about me. But I'm not PARANOID...I'm NOT paranoid...I'M not paranoid.
 
Bob,

If anyone should be miffed it should be me. Notice my website is not on the list. www.trafficcontrolcaroms.com

Maybe Jim doesn't want directors promoting their own site. My salary from the USBA more than covers any short fall in not being listed.

Or maybe just maybe everyone is out to get me! People are definitely following me and talking about me. But I'm not PARANOID...I'm NOT paranoid...I'M not paranoid.

Darn, Zensteve -I must agree with you! But then explain why Dieckman site were listed - even when he was USBA President or and some others?????

But if USBA did a Bio on their BOD it would be listed.

Since March Madness is coming to it end.... here an idea for women billiard or Men... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxiyGaXqBLk&feature=related & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoJ75hzZPp0&feature=related
 
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