Used Deluxe Cue Smith...

Zims Rack

Zims Rack

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NO, I'm not selling one! I have the opportunity to purchase a used Deluxe Cue Smith Lathe.
What's included:
- Deluxe Cue Smith
- Taper Attachments
- Router
- Power Feed
- Rear Chuck
- Reversing Motor Switching
- Bed Extension (for house cues)
- Extra Steady Rest
- Some cutting tools

What would you think is a reasonable price for this? It very, very rarely gets used and I know and trust the cuemaker selling it.

I know that I can get this NEW for around $2900

Suggestions!!!

Thanks,
Zim
 
Zim, I bought one last summer. It was like new, had all the attachments that you mentioned plus enough wood for about 20 butts and about 30 shaft blanks. I paid 2700. Good luck
 
I think somewhere around $2400 +/- is fair. The bed extension is a $125 option. If he tried to sell it on e-bay, i would bet he would get it, or more.

jmho,
Rodney
 
Has he quoted you?

How much is the seller looking to get for it Zim? Most times the seller would have a number in mind and that would be a starting point for a negotiation, unless you think his price is fair. Just a thought.

Gene
 
Cuedog said:
How much is the seller looking to get for it Zim? Most times the seller would have a number in mind and that would be a starting point for a negotiation, unless you think his price is fair. Just a thought.

Gene
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He just mentioned it to me this weekend and wasn't sure what he wanted to sell it for. He's trying to make room in his shop for new equipment and knows I plan to get a Deluxe in the future. (guess the future is near, huh?)
I have an amount I'm thinking about, we'll see what takes place.

Thanks guys,
Zim
 
a little confused here . . .

I thought the current deluxe didn't need or even accept a bed extension.

Hu



Zims Rack said:
He just mentioned it to me this weekend and wasn't sure what he wanted to sell it for. He's trying to make room in his shop for new equipment and knows I plan to get a Deluxe in the future. (guess the future is near, huh?)
I have an amount I'm thinking about, we'll see what takes place.

Thanks guys,
Zim
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ShootingArts said:
I thought the current deluxe didn't need or even accept a bed extension.

Hu
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It's not a newer Deluxe, it's a few years old. It fits on the lathe to help support a one-piece cue.

Zim
 
ShootingArts said:
I thought the current deluxe didn't need or even accept a bed extension.

Hu
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If you want to work on House Cues you need the extension and yes it fits on all Deluxe models. I would think $2000 would be a good deal on the package. Much more and the deal would not be all that great for a used machine.
 
cueman said:
If you want to work on House Cues you need the extension and yes it fits on all Deluxe models. I would think $2000 would be a good deal on the package. Much more and the deal would not be all that great for a used machine.
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Chris,

You sure Your not just being modest:p Back when I decided to get one myself, I had watched the same package I bought new from you at the time, sell used at auction for the around the same price or more. Might be suprised how much they can bring on the secondary market, if advertised efectively. Especially when a few materials are included in the deal. The only ones at auction I have seen a decent deal on were the Midsize, and that was on rare occasion, and usually for a well used machine. I Aggree though 2 grand would be a reasonable price If the lathe was still in good condition.

I did'nt realize the house cue extension was for the deluxe either, altough I had wondered, because in order to set It up to get that lenth, the taper bars and box would need to be removed, and headstock and motor relocated. I just use a old makeshift steady that I use to use On My mini Seig, and It clamps right to the bench, but the extention would make things alot nicer.

Greg
 
We would pay $2200 for it if you don't want it. I wish I had bought a lathe from Chris in the first place but we bought a Porper $3750.00 shipped. We have had many problems with the chuck on the Porper and thanks to Mike Webb we may have it worked out. We would still like one of the Hightower lathe's and may be getting on the list in the future.
 
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I'm pretty sure I'm not going to pass this deal up, but if for some reason I do... I'll give the sellers info on this thread to you all!

Thanks guys,
Zim
 
Cue Crazy said:
Chris,

You sure Your not just being modest:p Back when I decided to get one myself, I had watched the same package I bought new from you at the time, sell used at auction for the around the same price or more. Might be suprised how much they can bring on the secondary market, if advertised efectively. Especially when a few materials are included in the deal. The only ones at auction I have seen a decent deal on were the Midsize, and that was on rare occasion, and usually for a well used machine. I Aggree though 2 grand would be a reasonable price If the lathe was still in good condition.

I did'nt realize the house cue extension was for the deluxe either, altough I had wondered, because in order to set It up to get that lenth, the taper bars and box would need to be removed, and headstock and motor relocated. I just use a old makeshift steady that I use to use On My mini Seig, and It clamps right to the bench, but the extention would make things alot nicer.

Greg
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I would say it depends on the time of year as to what a Deluxe will bring. I have seen used lathes bring within a $100 of new price on ebay because someone does not want the few months wait. Right now the wait in under three months. That is still too long for some and they would be willing to pay full price for a used one to get it quickly. I do not know anythign about the particlular lathe being offered, but I have seen many sell on ebay that were missing parts. One customer bought a lathe for close to $600 only to find out it was missing over $500 worth of stuff just to make it a $1100 lathe new. One that bad is rare, but it does happen. The other item about used machines is that they may not be as nice as the newer ones. I do make improvements periodically and a several year old machine won't be exactly the same as the newer ones. For expample the inlay machines from the last five years work smoother than the ones from 98 to 2001. The ones from 98-2001 work smoother than the ones from 95 to 98. It costs about $425 to upgrade a 95 model to 2006 specs and costs $200 to upgrade a 98 model to 2006 specs. So my suggestion is to find out who bought it originally and I will look it up and tell you what to expect as far as comparing it to current machines. More often than not the machines on ebay are missing something. It could be something as little as a foot control or collets or as much as a router, steady rests, powerfeed, etc.
Chris
www.cuesmith.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com
 
Obviously I stand corrected

Chris,

It was my understanding that the Deluxe did not need an extension. With six feet of bed, two steady rests and two chucks I am still at a loss as to why it would and I have to admit I am disappointed. One of my reasons for ordering the longer lathe was so I would not have to bring multiple pieces into a poolroom and rig them together and take them apart every time I work on house cues.

I thought the information I read months ago specifically stated that the Deluxe did not need an extension but there is a bad link to part of your site concerning lathes now. With the four foot lathe not needing an extension and no mention of one in the Deluxe literature and options list this is an unpleasant surprise.

How long will the Deluxe be with the extension on it?

Hu


cueman said:
If you want to work on House Cues you need the extension and yes it fits on all Deluxe models. I would think $2000 would be a good deal on the package. Much more and the deal would not be all that great for a used machine.
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ShootingArts said:
Chris,

It was my understanding that the Deluxe did not need an extension. With six feet of bed, two steady rests and two chucks I am still at a loss as to why it would and I have to admit I am disappointed. One of my reasons for ordering the longer lathe was so I would not have to bring multiple pieces into a poolroom and rig them together and take them apart every time I work on house cues.

I thought the information I read months ago specifically stated that the Deluxe did not need an extension but there is a bad link to part of your site concerning lathes now. With the four foot lathe not needing an extension and no mention of one in the Deluxe literature and options list this is an unpleasant surprise.

How long will the Deluxe be with the extension on it?

Hu
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I'm sure Chris will answer this in greater detail, but...
The Deluxe headstock/motor is stationary (it does not move), unlike the Mid-Size, which you can slide on the dovetail bed. A 6' bed with the headstock in the center only gives you about 3' on each side. That's why you'll need the Bed Extension to do house cues on the Deluxe. With the Mid-Size you can just slide your head stock to the far right to work on house cues.

Hope this makes sense!
Zim
 
makes sense but I still should be able to locate the stick three places

Zim,

I understand what you are saying but I don't see why I can't use a steady rest and collet to locate the butt and tip of the stick and a chuck and collet in the middle to turn it. Of course tightening down both chucks and a single steady rest at the tip would locate the stick pretty solidly too I would think.

I'm sure Chris will explain why I need the extension but I do feel a little blindsided by this. Space considerations and one tidy package were my major reasons for purchasing the cuesmith lathe. I now find that it isn't one tidy package and is likely to be considerably longer(machine outside dimensions) than a 13X40 metal lathe that I was considering.

Hu


Zims Rack said:
I'm sure Chris will answer this in greater detail, but...
The Deluxe headstock/motor is stationary (it does not move), unlike the Mid-Size, which you can slide on the dovetail bed. A 6' bed with the headstock in the center only gives you about 3' on each side. That's why you'll need the Bed Extension to do house cues on the Deluxe. With the Mid-Size you can just slide your head stock to the far right to work on house cues.

Hope this makes sense!
Zim
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I retip house cues without the bed extension. I rigged an extra stedy rest for ferrules, but for tips, i usually just steady the back end of the house cue with my hand. It doesn't sound to good, but it's pretty easy. The only time i can't use one hand to steady it, is when i shave the last bit of the tip off with a razor blade, but i can still keep the stick from wobbling recklessly.

Rodney
 
ShootingArts said:
Zim,

I understand what you are saying but I don't see why I can't use a steady rest and collet to locate the butt and tip of the stick and a chuck and collet in the middle to turn it. Of course tightening down both chucks and a single steady rest at the tip would locate the stick pretty solidly too I would think.

I'm sure Chris will explain why I need the extension but I do feel a little blindsided by this. Space considerations and one tidy package were my major reasons for purchasing the cuesmith lathe. I now find that it isn't one tidy package and is likely to be considerably longer(machine outside dimensions) than a 13X40 metal lathe that I was considering.

Hu
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I've made some collets with delrin to fit the small steady rest. I cut off the old tip, sand the top of the ferrule with one of those tweeton sanders that clamps to the cue. place the cue through the large steady rest, chuck, then small steady rest. Glue the tip on and hold it in place with a live center mounted in the tailstock, and trim it with a razor.
 
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