valid test to rate your speed?

[Egg McDogit]

Friend told me about this drill that supposedly rates your speed:

Basically you're shooting spot shots and playing position back and forth. Setup object balls on each spot. start with ball in hand and shoot 1 object ball, respot it on the spot, shoot the other ball, respot it, etc. You get ball in hand on the first shot, not all of them, obviously. You can shoot the balls in any pocket and play position any way you want.

I was told that if you can make:
6 consistently - c
8 consistently - b
10 consistently - a
20 consistently - pro speed


I just went back and forth playing position like this everytime.

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anyone else tried this drill? Think it's accurrate?

 

[Hal]

That seems too easy. I got 14 on the very first try. Make spot shots back and forth with ball in hand on the first ball only right?

 

[poolbiz420]

Ummm No!

I have praticed this drill before, I don't think the number of shots made would be correct because many times I have shot 16-18. An AIN'T NO WAY i'm that close to professional.

Biz

 

[Bob Jewett]

Friend told me about this drill that supposedly rates your speed: ...

I think your friend is wrong because the drill exercises too few skills. Try the game Fargo, or Allen Hopkins's Q-Skill test or Equal Offense (for 50 innings) for a better test of skill. Or you could try the progressive practice drills available for free at the web site listed below, in the Basics Clinic handout. For a drill-based test, I think they are the most accurate, but drill-based tests are inherently limited.

 

[Guru]

Friend told me about this drill that supposedly rates your speed:

Basically you're shooting spot shots and playing position back and forth. Setup object balls on each spot. start with ball in hand and shoot 1 object ball, respot it on the spot, shoot the other ball, respot it, etc. You get ball in hand on the first shot, not all of them, obviously. You can shoot the balls in any pocket and play position any way you want.

I was told that if you can make:
6 consistently - c
8 consistently - b
10 consistently - a
20 consistently - pro speed


I just went back and forth playing position like this everytime.

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anyone else tried this drill? Think it's accurrate?

Making dozens of free throws in a row doesn't mean "you got game"

 

[pete lafond]

Friend told me about this drill that supposedly rates your speed:

Basically you're shooting spot shots and playing position back and forth. Setup object balls on each spot. start with ball in hand and shoot 1 object ball, respot it on the spot, shoot the other ball, respot it, etc. You get ball in hand on the first shot, not all of them, obviously. You can shoot the balls in any pocket and play position any way you want.

I was told that if you can make:
6 consistently - c
8 consistently - b
10 consistently - a
20 consistently - pro speed


I just went back and forth playing position like this everytime.

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anyone else tried this drill? Think it's accurrate?

I would say forget the skills test. Instead find the strong pool players and challenge them. How many flops do you know from school that tested very well and achieved nothing in life? Tests, and I do not care whos test you use, does nothing for determining your real skill level. Play players, win tournaments and keeep progressing. What does it matter how well you do on a test? If you make 20 out of 20 now, I'll bet you will not make the same frequency on a critical shot in a match.

People spend time reading books, taking lessons and everything else than finding the strong players and playing them. Ask them quetions after the match. All the great players advanced this way. Everyones body is built differently, their muscles are toned differently and bottom line those that become great all stroke differently (at least the really great ones).

The correct stroke will come to you in time, or maybe it already has. Play top players and you will advance not only in ability but mentally as well.

Just my thoughts,,,,

 

[bruin70]

Friend told me about this drill that supposedly rates your speed:

Basically you're shooting spot shots and playing position back and forth. Setup object balls on each spot. start with ball in hand and shoot 1 object ball, respot it on the spot, shoot the other ball, respot it, etc. You get ball in hand on the first shot, not all of them, obviously. You can shoot the balls in any pocket and play position any way you want.

I was told that if you can make:
6 consistently - c
8 consistently - b
10 consistently - a
20 consistently - pro speed


I just went back and forth playing position like this everytime.

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anyone else tried this drill? Think it's accurrate?

you can create any drill and do the same rating

 

[Snapshot9]

Really want to know ...

Other better money players know exactly what your
speed is, believe me ... lol Want to find out your speed,
just go ask one of them better players what spot they
would give you for a $100 set? You'll find out real fast ..lol

 

[alstl]

I think your friend is wrong because the drill exercises too few skills. Try the game Fargo, or Allen Hopkins's Q-Skill test or Equal Offense (for 50 innings) for a better test of skill. Or you could try the progressive practice drills available for free at the web site listed below, in the Basics Clinic handout. For a drill-based test, I think they are the most accurate, but drill-based tests are inherently limited.

I enjoy equal offense and my scores track the progress in my game since I picked up pool again 6 months ago. However, a lot depends on the type of equipment you are on and how well you break.

 

[9BallWill]

What is this?

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I see around here....

 

[Cane]

I have praticed this drill before, I don't think the number of shots made would be correct because many times I have shot 16-18. An AIN'T NO WAY i'm that close to professional.

Biz

Same here... no way I'm close to professional, but made it 21 times the first try and 39 the second. Actually, felt kind of disappointed that I missed shot #40. I agree with Scott... match up with champions, see what they'll give you on a cheap set. You'll find out real fast what speed you are.

Bob

 

[Hal]

What is this?


I see around here....

Up at the top (right under private messages) you'll see "Quick Links". Click that, then scroll down to "WEI Table". Click that and it'll open a RSB pool table. Now 'copy' the entire code from start to end. Go to the RSB table and click 'paste'. Click 'OK' a couple of times and the shot will appear.

If you want to post a shot, 'copy' the link at the top of the RSB web page and 'post' it. That will give you a clear table. Now drag balls and arrows around until you get what you want. When you're finished, click 'copy'. Now come to the thread and 'paste' it.

I have these instructions saved as a word document so all I have to do is copy/past everytime someone asks about the WEI.

 

[lewdo26]

I would say forget the skills test. Instead find the strong pool players and challenge them. How many flops do you know from school that tested very well and achieved nothing in life? Tests, and I do not care whos test you use, does nothing for determining your real skill level. Play players, win tournaments and keeep progressing. What does it matter how well you do on a test? If you make 20 out of 20 now, I'll bet you will not make the same frequency on a critical shot in a match.

People spend time reading books, taking lessons and everything else than finding the strong players and playing them. Ask them quetions after the match. All the great players advanced this way. Everyones body is built differently, their muscles are toned differently and bottom line those that become great all stroke differently (at least the really great ones).

The correct stroke will come to you in time, or maybe it already has. Play top players and you will advance not only in ability but mentally as well.

Just my thoughts,,,,

tap, tap, tap. The best of tests is holding up under pressure against tough competition.

 

[Rickw]

Other better money players know exactly what your
speed is, believe me ... lol Want to find out your speed,
just go ask one of them better players what spot they
would give you for a $100 set? You'll find out real fast ..lol

If you ask the better money players what your spot should be, it isn't going to be accurate for you but it will be pretty accurate for them to get your cash. LOL.

 

[jjinfla]

A better , and cheaper way, is to play the better player a few sets even for $20. If you lose then the next day ask for the 8 ball. If you still lose then the next day ask for the 7 ball. If you still lose then the next day ask for the last 3. If you still lose the next day ask for the last 4. Your last chance, a very humbling experience, would be to ask for the "Orange Crush". If you still lose maybe you should think about playing tennis, golf or ping pong.

 

[Snapshot9]

I suppose

A better , and cheaper way, is to play the better player a few sets even for $20. If you lose then the next day ask for the 8 ball. If you still lose then the next day ask for the 7 ball. If you still lose then the next day ask for the last 3. If you still lose the next day ask for the last 4. Your last chance, a very humbling experience, would be to ask for the "Orange Crush". If you still lose maybe you should think about playing tennis, golf or ping pong.

that is okay if you are playing some young player, but older more
experienced players WILL NOT adjust after EACH SET just because
you want to. To keep adjusting when playing cheap is considered
STUPID. Now, you might get a better spot if the money keeps going
up, like spots were originally designed to do. A better player that
lets himself get beat for cheap money is doing himself a disservice,
and will hurt his reputation in the Pool world. If you want that big
of a spot, you have to put up the money or shut up.

 

[Rickw]

A better , and cheaper way, is to play the better player a few sets even for $20. If you lose then the next day ask for the 8 ball. If you still lose then the next day ask for the 7 ball. If you still lose then the next day ask for the last 3. If you still lose the next day ask for the last 4. Your last chance, a very humbling experience, would be to ask for the "Orange Crush". If you still lose maybe you should think about playing tennis, golf or ping pong.

TAP TAP TAP!! Good post!!

 

[DougT]

A better , and cheaper way, is to play the better player a few sets even for $20. If you lose then the next day ask for the 8 ball. If you still lose then the next day ask for the 7 ball. If you still lose then the next day ask for the last 3. If you still lose the next day ask for the last 4. Your last chance, a very humbling experience, would be to ask for the "Orange Crush". If you still lose maybe you should think about playing tennis, golf or ping pong.

You're kidding, right? A guy asks how to rate his speed, and your answer is to tell him the 'better cheaper way is to play a few sets for $20'? Then come back again and again until he sinks or swims?
It's a hobby. No one asked, how do I make myself a champion. Or how do I figure out what spot I should ask for when playing gamblers.
Challenging strong players, playing in tournaments, yes. You find out how you stack up. Gambling gives you an edge, but is not the best, cheapest, or easiest way to find out how you rate, or compare, to others.

valid test to rate your speed?

Qskills, Equal Offense, are satisfactory to find a way to rate your self, and compare your rate to others. See Bob Jewett's post and website, also BlackJack Sapolis for his website

 

[pete lafond]

You're kidding, right? A guy asks how to rate his speed, and your answer is to tell him the 'better cheaper way is to play a few sets for $20'? Then come back again and again until he sinks or swims?
It's a hobby. No one asked, how do I make myself a champion. Or how do I figure out what spot I should ask for when playing gamblers.
Challenging strong players, playing in tournaments, yes. You find out how you stack up. Gambling gives you an edge, but is not the best, cheapest, or easiest way to find out how you rate, or compare, to others.

Qskills, Equal Offense, are satisfactory to find a way to rate your self, and compare your rate to others. See Bob Jewett's post and website, also BlackJack Sapolis for his website

I think he was just creating a real situation that tells you were you stand if you really want to know how good you really are. I'm not sure if it is important that you gamble all your money away. On the other hand if you are playing someone strong and splitting time how well they will actually perform against you. Some say they play the same all the time, but in reality if splitting time the stronger player will let you shot more often out of good graces or future opportunities.

Now with regard to QSKILLs and such. These things are a measure only of what you might be able to execute but they are not game pressure situations as well said in this thread. Players are mistaken when they show what great shots they can make or how they can manipulate the cue ball when there is no pressure. Pool is just as much mental as it is physical which means that skill level includes mental and lots of it. Show me a player that consistently runs balls with almost no misses, plays terrific safes and executes defensive kicks (not just kicks) rack after rack in competition (gambling too) and you have a strong player. Now take someone that does these rating tests and you want the score to measure against this player? Doesn't make sense.

 

[DougT]

Well put, Pete, and true. There is a big difference between a performance, such as at a practice table, and a competition, whether a local tournament or gambling. Still, I don't know if you can gamble until you decide if you are an A player or B player or whatever.

Qskills or other drills that put a rating on you do give you a clear mark as to where you are, and where you have been, and whether you are improving. They too have their place. The interactive competition is what's missing.

I think he was just creating a real situation that tells you were you stand if you really want to know how good you really are. I'm not sure if it is important that you gamble all your money away. On the other hand if you are playing someone strong and splitting time how well they will actually perform against you. Some say they play the same all the time, but in reality if splitting time the stronger player will let you shot more often out of good graces or future opportunities.

Now with regard to QSKILLs and such. These things are a measure only of what you might be able to execute but they are not game pressure situations as well said in this thread. Players are mistaken when they show what great shots they can make or how they can manipulate the cue ball when there is no pressure. Pool is just as much mental as it is physical which means that skill level includes mental and lots of it. Show me a player that consistently runs balls with almost no misses, plays terrific safes and executes defensive kicks (not just kicks) rack after rack in competition (gambling too) and you have a strong player. Now take someone that does these rating tests and you want the score to measure against this player? Doesn't make sense.