I have a nice 1984 Valley bar box table that had some old rails and old cloth on it. Since I wanted it to be nice I ordered some Ridgeback rails and some Simonis 860HR. I called Kerry at Ridgeback rails and discussed what would be best for me and he patiently explained my options. He has standard rails as well as custom rails made to order. I chose standard replacement rails and the quality of workmanship and finish were awesome. I had Richard Geiler (Greater Seattle area) install them today and I am very happy with my brand new table. Thanks to AZ Billiards forum for enlightening me to the Ridgeback rails. I highly recommend Kerry and Richard as they are both professionals and willing to educate and look out for my best interests. Now I gotta get better. LOL JJ