Vanity Pool - Not For Me

Jude Rosenstock

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Today, while flipping through the channels, I found pool on tv. Figuring I'd get to see some decent competition, I was surprised to find Speed Pool as the agenda of the day. Now, I've heard of Speed Pool, even competed in an event once but never actually saw it on TV. I call them "vanity" competitions because there is little or no emphasis on the actual game but on a particular aspect that spectators find amusing. "Vanity" can be defined as meaning "something worthless, trivial, or pointless." The ability to run a rack in one minute, make 4 balls in different pockets, hit 27 homeruns off a lame-arm or do a 360 and slam-dunk an unguarded basket is worthless, trivial and/or pointless.

Well, there it was, on TV with Luc Salvas winning $50,000 (so much for worthless) and Jeanette Lee in the background. It was an interesting sight, watching these professional players fumble around, trying to pocket 15 balls in 8-ball format in the fastest time possible. Scratches yielded a 10-second penalty and misses meant nothing. Anyone who knows how much talent these players possess can only laugh at the insanity of such a competition with so much at stake.

It isn't the only variety of vanity pool nor is pool the only instance where vanity competition is used. In the very next episode, one of the many trick-shot episodes played with a $30,0000 first-place prize on the line. Although, I have to admit, the shots are slightly more interesting since players will often go to bizarre measures to try and out-do the competition. However, they often will post unusual requirements for each shot ("must pocket the chalk" or "can't touch a rail") that even experienced pool-players must listen closely to understand exactly what is going-on.

This is not unlike baseball's Homerun Derby or Basketball's 3-Point competition and Slam-Dunk contest. The underlying difference between pool and these other sports is that Pool's vanity competitions are seen as the main-event, rarely associated with an actual competition whereas baseball and basketball will use these events as preludes to their respective all-star games. Also, the viewer knows exactly what is going-on. Baseball players must hit the ball over the wall, basketball players must put the ball in the hoop. Without a bit of audio, spectators can watch the television and root for their favorite professionals.

This is another interesting point. One would think that vanity pool would be exclusive to our elites. Baseball and basketball will often try to have all-star players or leaders in relevant catagories compete in the competitions. Vanity pool does have several professional players making the leap but for the most-part, the competitors are vanity pool specialists, having relatively little or no professional experience. Yet, each competition has greater prize-funds than most traditional events.

I have to wonder, is this the direction our game is going to take? It's been said that during a Mosconi Straight-Pool exhibition, a spectator said, "This is boring. All these shots are easy." Has this perspective won-out? Are we no longer interested in the subtle nuances of the game? Actually winning, under pressure, without the benefit of two-tries, is this not as exciting? More exciting?

I've been playing this game a long time. In the upcoming months, the Northeast has a series of rather exciting events that I always try to participate in. Needless to say, I'm really looking forward to it all. However, every time I watch a speed-pool or trick-shot competition with players equal in caliber to me, I have to wonder if I should pull-out Mike Masse's book and start doing double-jumpshots through paperbags. I don't because that little traditionalist inside me feels it's wrong. There's that part of me that can't help but view it as a bastardization of our great sport.

Perhaps there are a few things we can learn from it all but do we really need to tailor our entire presentation so that the non-pool audience can be entertained? Is there something to be gained from that? Might they start picking up pool-cues and running to their local rooms? Maybe it will improve ratings of "regular" pool?

I've said it before, there will come a point where we have to realize that there is nothing to gain from this strategy. We should forget about mainstream and focus on what WE want and nothing more. Yes, I would like to see slow-play diminished and I enjoy nine-ball because of the difficult shots it consistently presents but we should forget about trying to build-up our audience with non-poolplayers at the cost of throwing out the game in its entirety. We have sacraficed too much. At vanity pool, I draw the line. We owe it to ourselves and we owe it to our professional competitors.
 
I too watched this SpeedPool match on ESPN this afternoon. I was expecting something interesting, but was soon disappointed. I mean, I really like Luc Salvas and all, but I'd rather see him shooting a serious rack of nine ball. It just didn't do anything for me at all. I couldn't glean any useful information whatsoever from watching it.

As far a serious pool/billiard matches go, I don't believe that anybody but hardcore to semi-hardcore players are interested in watching one on television. And when it comes to PAYING money to watch one live and in person, this number is greatly reduced. I would pay money myself to see a world-class match (i.e. U.S. Open, BCA 9-Ball Championships, etc.) if I didn't hafta pay to get there, pay for lodging, food, etc. I think ultimately this is the failure of professional pool. It is a sport that is cheap (for the most part) to participate in, so it's following is not people with great sums of money to spend on the aforementioned tournament costs. I don't think it will ever be as popular to watch a match live here in America as it is in, say, Europe or the Phillipines. Just my take.

I personally wish networks like ESPN would use their air time they set aside for billiards for the major tournaments and just skip all these "vanity" matches. Would'nt it have been great to have watched the Mosconi Cup on their channel instead of all this "vanity" stuff???

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I agree in part but atleast it was pool on ESPN with a good pay day for the participants. NOW thats a good thing!!!!!!!!
Pinocchio
 
Pinocchio said:
I agree in part but atleast it was pool on ESPN with a good pay day for the participants. NOW thats a good thing!!!!!!!!
Pinocchio


I hear what you're saying but WHO ARE THESE PARTICIPANTS??? I mean, there are some professionals mixed-in, don't get me wrong but there are many amateurs filling these events. If professional pool really turned its attention to this, you wouldn't hear about half these guys ever again and if that day does come, you'll never see me watching pool on tv again.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Today, while flipping through the channels, I found pool on tv. Figuring I'd get to see some decent competition, I was surprised to find Speed Pool as the agenda of the day. Now, I've heard of Speed Pool, even competed in an event once but never actually saw it on TV. I call them "vanity" competitions because there is little or no emphasis on the actual game but on a particular aspect that spectators find amusing. "Vanity" can be defined as meaning "something worthless, trivial, or pointless." The ability to run a rack in one minute, make 4 balls in different pockets, hit 27 homeruns off a lame-arm or do a 360 and slam-dunk an unguarded basket is worthless, trivial and/or pointless.

Well, there it was, on TV with Luc Salvas winning $50,000 (so much for worthless) and Jeanette Lee in the background. It was an interesting sight, watching these professional players fumble around, trying to pocket 15 balls in 8-ball format in the fastest time possible. Scratches yielded a 10-second penalty and misses meant nothing. Anyone who knows how much talent these players possess can only laugh at the insanity of such a competition with so much at stake.

It isn't the only variety of vanity pool nor is pool the only instance where vanity competition is used. In the very next episode, one of the many trick-shot episodes played with a $30,0000 first-place prize on the line. Although, I have to admit, the shots are slightly more interesting since players will often go to bizarre measures to try and out-do the competition. However, they often will post unusual requirements for each shot ("must pocket the chalk" or "can't touch a rail") that even experienced pool-players must listen closely to understand exactly what is going-on.

This is not unlike baseball's Homerun Derby or Basketball's 3-Point competition and Slam-Dunk contest. The underlying difference between pool and these other sports is that Pool's vanity competitions are seen as the main-event, rarely associated with an actual competition whereas baseball and basketball will use these events as preludes to their respective all-star games. Also, the viewer knows exactly what is going-on. Baseball players must hit the ball over the wall, basketball players must put the ball in the hoop. Without a bit of audio, spectators can watch the television and root for their favorite professionals.

This is another interesting point. One would think that vanity pool would be exclusive to our elites. Baseball and basketball will often try to have all-star players or leaders in relevant catagories compete in the competitions. Vanity pool does have several professional players making the leap but for the most-part, the competitors are vanity pool specialists, having relatively little or no professional experience. Yet, each competition has greater prize-funds than most traditional events.

I have to wonder, is this the direction our game is going to take? It's been said that during a Mosconi Straight-Pool exhibition, a spectator said, "This is boring. All these shots are easy." Has this perspective won-out? Are we no longer interested in the subtle nuances of the game? Actually winning, under pressure, without the benefit of two-tries, is this not as exciting? More exciting?

I've been playing this game a long time. In the upcoming months, the Northeast has a series of rather exciting events that I always try to participate in. Needless to say, I'm really looking forward to it all. However, every time I watch a speed-pool or trick-shot competition with players equal in caliber to me, I have to wonder if I should pull-out Mike Masse's book and start doing double-jumpshots through paperbags. I don't because that little traditionalist inside me feels it's wrong. There's that part of me that can't help but view it as a bastardization of our great sport.

Perhaps there are a few things we can learn from it all but do we really need to tailor our entire presentation so that the non-pool audience can be entertained? Is there something to be gained from that? Might they start picking up pool-cues and running to their local rooms? Maybe it will improve ratings of "regular" pool?

I've said it before, there will come a point where we have to realize that there is nothing to gain from this strategy. We should forget about mainstream and focus on what WE want and nothing more. Yes, I would like to see slow-play diminished and I enjoy nine-ball because of the difficult shots it consistently presents but we should forget about trying to build-up our audience with non-poolplayers at the cost of throwing out the game in its entirety. We have sacraficed too much. At vanity pool, I draw the line. We owe it to ourselves and we owe it to our professional competitors.

Nice post, and the greater part of me agrees with you, as these pool novelty acts aren't real pool.

On the other hand, in Vegas every May during BCA week, fans flock to watch these novelty competitions held in the lobby of the Riviera. Speed pool, artistic pool, and the like, offer some fun and entertainment and there is evidence that the fans enjoy this very much.

Guess I have mixed emotions here.
 
Pinocchio said:
I agree in part but atleast it was pool on ESPN with a good pay day for the participants. NOW thats a good thing!!!!!!!!
Pinocchio

I agree with both of the points being made here from the quote above and the original thread. However, without mainstreaming our sport to attract large sponsors we will never see it progress in the direction and to the point we, as pool enthusiasts, would like for it to. Wouldn't it be great with a huge sponsor like Tide, bear with me, to be the sponsor of a major event as the only brand of detergent capable of cleaning those tough blue chalk stains from our clothing. Or maybe , Nike, as the leading maker of comfortable footwear for that road warrior of a poolplayer. Or maybe, tough-actin Tinactin for those long grueling money games that go on for days without making your feet wreak. Or maybe Vidal Sassoon that possesses that leading quality hair care product that makes even RAlf Souquet envious. (yes, I know a bit far fetched but what the heck!) I am an optimist and hope like anything that our players will look like walking billboards one day with the sponsors on their apparel. I don't know personally how we achieve this but maybe we can borrow Deno Andrews from the ITP only if we had another puppetmaster. Who knows!!!
 
sjm said:
Nice post, and the greater part of me agrees with you, as these pool novelty acts aren't real pool.

On the other hand, in Vegas every May during BCA week, fans flock to watch these novelty competitions held in the lobby of the Riviera. Speed pool, artistic pool, and the like, offer some fun and entertainment and there is evidence that the fans enjoy this very much.

Guess I have mixed emotions here.


When vanity pool is part of a bigger event, I don't mind at all. The BCA Championships is awesome and that's because it features all aspects of the game AND the fact is, the best pool-player makes the most money. The BIGGEST crowd, the biggest pay-out, the most talked-about is the Professional Finals. That's cool. Do what you want then. It's when vanity pool is the only venue and getting pay-outs that far exceed average professional events do I wonder how we ever allowed this to happen.

Look, I know a lot of people are gonna say, "Hey, money is money. Let 'em get paid!" I know people have to make a living but I think they should also know that with every event they have, we lose a little bit of the game we love.
 
sjm said:
Nice post, and the greater part of me agrees with you, as these pool novelty acts aren't real pool.

On the other hand, in Vegas every May during BCA week, fans flock to watch these novelty competitions held in the lobby of the Riviera. Speed pool, artistic pool, and the like, offer some fun and entertainment and there is evidence that the fans enjoy this very much.

Guess I have mixed emotions here.

I agree and also have mixed emotions on this but if the fans are willing to watch and pay to watch vanity pool maybe there is a way the promoters can find a way to divert some of that money to real pool prize funds. Just a thought.

Steve
 
sde said:
I agree and also have mixed emotions on this but if the fans are willing to watch and pay to watch vanity pool maybe there is a way the promoters can find a way to divert some of that money to real pool prize funds. Just a thought.

Steve


The fact is, vanity pool is a direct result of the lack of organization in men's pool. There would be no chance of diverting funds because that would require organization.

I mean, it would be interesting if there were an actual organization. The WPBA has enough power to actually dictate when and where their members screw their cues together. You don't get to see Jeanette Lee compete without WPBA consent. If the men had an actual tour prior to the rise of vanity pool, they could have guided it right through their venues and ensured that all the revenue generated went directly to them. Instead, others have seized the opportunity.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
The fact is, vanity pool is a direct result of the lack of organization in men's pool. There would be no chance of diverting funds because that would require organization.

I mean, it would be interesting if there were an actual organization. The WPBA has enough power to actually dictate when and where their members screw their cues together. You don't get to see Jeanette Lee compete without WPBA consent. If the men had an actual tour prior to the rise of vanity pool, they could have guided it right through their venues and ensured that all the revenue generated went directly to them. Instead, others have seized the opportunity.

Well, you've hit the nail on the head. We can talk all we want about the various factors that lead to the current woes of the sport, but at the end of the day, it's up to the players to take the first steps to change the situation. I see no reason, besides egotism and individualism, why an organizaton comprising the majority of professionals cannot exist. If necessary, the men could seek to merge with the WPBA and create one umbrella organizaton. The men would benefit from the WPBA's existing machinery, and the women would benefit because greater organization and marketing of the sport would help everybody. A rising tide lifts all boats.

The bottom line--professional pool players unite--please!!
 
Isn't pool itself a vanity item. Same as all other sports. They really don't achieve anything other than one person beating the other.
 
I have finally come to the realization that Pool will NEVER make it good on TV in anyones lifetime unless I myself win the lottery or fall ass backwards into a pile of money and produce the sh*t myself! When will these gentleman finally get the picture? Either declair a Champion and have guys fight for the title each week and put it on Spike TV or take the lame ass f83king sh5t off the air!!!
 
I really wish they'd show some 8-ball once in a while. You'd figure it might do OK since it's a popular game for all skill levels.
 
I think it would be a great idea to have US Open or the World Championships preceded by a trick shot competition much like the WPM. Or have a competition to see who draw the cue ball the best, make the most wing shots, who can bank the most balls, who can hit the most rails etc.

As long as the extent of tournaments promotions are advertising in billiard magazines and websites, people aren't going to show up to the events! Furthermore pool broadcasts are presented in the dryest possible format. I can't beleive people are even trying. We need interviews, tournament synopsis' and highlights. We need to get to know the players. Currently the pool matches are presented in a "here is the match with a few racks cut out here and there and some dry commentary, watch it or don't". Is there any wonder why few people watch it?

People like to compare pool to poker, which is rather silly. But here is one of the few times I will make a reference. If the WPT just showed a poker game on tv without an intro, the fanciful explanations, the interviews, the story lines, the build up, I doubt it would have caught on. Nobody would have watched Moneymaker win the World Series.

I like the way they present the world pool championships. The highlights allow you to see four or five matches over the course of two hours. 8 different players and four different story lines, it is perfect for the short attention spans of the public. All that is missing is a bit of flash. Golf basically does the same thing, cutting back and forth between players to keep it interesting, so that things are always happening. This is exactly the way pool needs to be broadcasted.
 
mnShooter said:
Isn't pool itself a vanity item. Same as all other sports. They really don't achieve anything other than one person beating the other.


Well, if you're going to take this to the abstract, then one could argue that life itself is vanity-incarnate. I call it vanity because the action derives from another game and is considered to be a single part of that game. Everyone who achieves any sort of proficiency at these vanity games accomplished such by playing one of the traditional games. What's more, nobody will ever give these vanity games any sort of respect. The speed-pool champion or trick-shot champion will never be regarded as an actual pool champion. If one of your non-poolplaying friends made such a suggestion, you would smile and politely correct them. Well, maybe you'll laugh in their face but you'll still correct them.
 
I saw that on a few weeks ago and didn't watch it for long. Very lame. I'll watch trick shots and serious matches all day but not that crap.
 
This is a really good post and point, and I definitely appreciate the thought put into it.

It really reminds me what someone once said about pool in relation to other sports.

"This is one of the only sports in which the better you get, the less people will care."

I find this to be very true especially in relation to the average guy or gal just banging balls around. As a disclaimer; those who are "in the know" obviously do respect a talented player.
 
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