Veneers - Where seams line up

robertno1pool

robertno1pool

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Most veneered points I have seen have the seams dead staight down the middle of the point.

The current Ernie Martinez cues with veneers look like the seams are off to one side of the point. Is this common, easier to do, structurally better, etc.? Pictures are posted in the "Wanted/For Sale" section as the "3rd batch" of cues.

Thought I would ask the experts.
 
robertno1pool said:
Most veneered points I have seen have the seams dead staight down the middle of the point.

The current Ernie Martinez cues with veneers look like the seams are off to one side of the point. Is this common, easier to do, structurally better, etc.? Pictures are posted in the "Wanted/For Sale" section as the "3rd batch" of cues.

Thought I would ask the experts.
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It is a different construction technique of forming the veneers around the point. It is typically called overlapping, or butt joint, versus mitered veneers. Some people (maybe most?) prefer the mitered look. Some cuemakers feel the overlapping method makes for a stronger construction.

Even if one prefers the mitered look, one should realize that both techniques can be done well, or poorly.

Kelly
 
Kelly_Guy said:
It is a different construction technique of forming the veneers around the point. It is typically called overlapping, or butt joint, versus mitered veneers. Some people (maybe most?) prefer the mitered look. Some cuemakers feel the overlapping method makes for a stronger construction.

Even if one prefers the mitered look, one should realize that both techniques can be done well, or poorly.

Kelly
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I believe that the overlap technique is the safe way to good veneers. Never great looking but never bad. Mitered veneers, on the other hand, are more difficult to install but when done right they look much better than overlapped but if not done right then they pale to the overlap method. All comes down to a gamble concerning your confidence in your abilities. Perfect mitered veneers certainly add to the value of a cue but one bad glue line has the exact opposite affect.

Dick
 
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Kelly_Guy said:
It is a different construction technique of forming the veneers around the point. It is typically called overlapping, or butt joint, versus mitered veneers. Some people (maybe most?) prefer the mitered look. Some cuemakers feel the overlapping method makes for a stronger construction.

Even if one prefers the mitered look, one should realize that both techniques can be done well, or poorly.

Kelly
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Thanks.

I expected the butt joint method would be considered by some as stronger, especially if the butt joints alternated from side to side of the point.
 
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Thanks Dick.

I agree the mitered veneers look better - when done without any easy to see glue gaps.
 
robertno1pool said:
Most veneered points I have seen have the seams dead staight down the middle of the point.

The current Ernie Martinez cues with veneers look like the seams are off to one side of the point. Is this common, easier to do, structurally better, etc.? Pictures are posted in the "Wanted/For Sale" section as the "3rd batch" of cues.

Thought I would ask the experts.
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I believe David Kersonbrock was the first to use this method, SouthWests cues are also done this way.
 
rhncue said:
I believe that the overlap technique is the safe way to good veneers. Never great looking but never bad. Mitered veneers, on the other hand, are more difficult to install but when done right they look much better than overlapped but if not done right then they pale to the overlap method. All comes down to a gamble concerning your confidence in your abilities. Perfect mitered veneers certainly add to the value of a cue but one bad glue line has the exact opposite affect.

Dick
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Thanks Dick. That sure makes sense, and a good way to describe the two.

Kelly
 
jayman said:
I believe David Kersonbrock was the first to use this method, SouthWests cues are also done this way.
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Brunswick preceeded by 70(?) years, give or take.
Look at any Titlist/Hoppe butt - the veneers are stacked,
not mitered.

I have a forerunner of the Titlist, from IIUC, pre-WWI.
They called it the Beringer(sp) style after some
Billiard champ.

Dale
 
pdcue said:
Brunswick preceeded by 70(?) years, give or take.
Look at any Titlist/Hoppe butt - the veneers are stacked,
not mitered.

I have a forerunner of the Titlist, from IIUC, pre-WWI.
They called it the Beringer(sp) style after some
Billiard champ.

Dale
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robertno1pool said:
Thanks.

I expected the butt joint method would be considered by some as stronger, especially if the butt joints alternated from side to side of the point.
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I agree that it is stronger if done right. If you do it slowly and glue under lots of pressure to two sides of a square piece of wood. Then trim excess veneer flush and glue to the other two sides and repeat the process until you have all colors. Then saw that piece into four point pieces. This should be much stronger than trying to shove two 45 degree mitered veneer sheets together. I have used the wrap around method for years. So has South West, Tad, Prather and many others. The only negative I really see is that people think you bought a point blank as soon as they see the butt joint veneers.
 
pdcue said:
Brunswick preceeded by 70(?) years, give or take.
Look at any Titlist/Hoppe butt - the veneers are stacked,
not mitered.

I have a forerunner of the Titlist, from IIUC, pre-WWI.
They called it the Beringer(sp) style after some
Billiard champ.

Dale
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My titlist has the centered miter.
 
How About 1/2 Side Of Veneers???

How's 1/2 side of veneers:eek: ?:D :D :cool: I believed fist one made that way. Enjoy just want to sharing photos with all of you..:)
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jayman said:
My titlist has the centered miter.
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I don't think so.

Is it one of the Japan<Adam> examples.
Can you post some pix?

Dale<still learning after all these years>
 
on sided veneers

coopdeville said:
Are these mitered or butted? :confused: :confused: ;)
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I have no idea:eek: :confused: :confused: I only paid for that one sided veneers and ran out of money:D :p just kidding... this cue is made by RC3 "Richard Chudy" maybe he will come in to AZ and answer this question:) .
 
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FLYINGSNAIL said:
I have no idea:eek: :confused: :confused: I only paid for that one sided veneers and ran out of money:D :p just kidding... this cue is made by RC3 "Richard Chudy" maybe he will come in to AZ and answer this question:) .
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If you save the picture and look close...
well, I think I know how he did this and I'll put all my vCash on it. :D :D
 
That didn't take long. Usually the light colors are the give away and the darker colors are hardest to see. Why I put them up is to show that either way it can be done to be almost invisible. This one held in your hand is impossible to see the seams. I took the photo with a 5mb camera at a distance of about 10 inches with only sanding sealer on the cue. I've seen mitered veneers and overlapped that you swore where recuts, but the veneer colors told you they weren't. Personnally I don't think it matters how they are done as long as they are done properly.
 
cutter said:
That didn't take long. Usually the light colors are the give away and the darker colors are hardest to see. Why I put them up is to show that either way it can be done to be almost invisible. This one held in your hand is impossible to see the seams. I took the photo with a 5mb camera at a distance of about 10 inches with only sanding sealer on the cue. I've seen mitered veneers and overlapped that you swore where recuts, but the veneer colors told you they weren't. Personnally I don't think it matters how they are done as long as they are done properly.
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I have seen pics of an Art Cantando cue with overlapped veneers done that well. I would have to see them next to each other to see which were better. I do think I prefer them mitered, but when they are done this well, having to look close to tell has already set the work apart.

One of the best examples of veneer work I have personally seen in terms of tightness was some double stacked maple color veneers sandwhiched by other colors. You had to look at a certain area of a certain point to tell they were stacked and not just double thick.

Kelly
 
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