Vernon came to Cleve. back in 78 or so later we figured out Big Brad was theguy who snuck him in,he was big guy with a nice stroke,he beat a few shortstops, then someone called me after he beat Mark Maryo and Baby- face(M.Gulyassy) I played some 9-ball for 30 and he beat me out of 300, I tried to adjust and he was not very accomadating,anyway I got poed and told him why don't you go back wherever the f##k you came from,he said you should respect your elders BOY! i forgot hoow big he was! I said I won't say another word SIR! sat down and shutup. Buddy said in his book people flew Mr.Elliott(i learned) all over the south for big games and he beat everybody! ran into him at Bill Bailey's in Chattanoga a few years ago he still had a beautiful stroke, thats my VE story Doug (he sent me a PM)