Vernon Elliott Cross-Corner Bank

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maxeypad2007

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Finally learned how to make this shot with some consistency.

I can make the cross-side but with a lot less consistency. I find the cross-side to be easier on a 9' table because you need a lot of distance to ramp up the spin to cross the ball.

I'm making it now at about 40%

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDVt9_fmHPk&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDVt9_fmHPk&feature=youtu.be

Here is a cue table layout of the shot

http://pool.bz/P/?@2AbBv2HatW3PasA2UbBv1Uade3kasA2kXgp2kOjo1kbFX3kVlf2uAIX@

To make the shot you use extreme 3 o' clock English. Both the cueball and the object ball must be be frozen to the rail. I put a ball in front of the pocket as a reference point for the video to show how far up the rail the object ball is. I put the ball a little past the middle point between the last diamond and the pocket. Believe it or not the ball is easier to make this way.

The position of the cue ball is also very important. You need adequate distance to build up enough spin to make the ball cut and get the cue ball out of the way. The ball should be spinning with as much spin as you can possibly generate by the time it almost misses the extreme edge of the object ball. So load the ball up with english and a nice medium smooth stroke and you will cut the ball in.

As a side note, I cannot make this shot with a non-LD cue no matter how hard I try. I'm using a predator 314-2 in this video.
 
Those shots are nuts, I sat down trying his side pocket version once... (I think he uses some sort of wooden bridging device and a laser sight) and gave up after a while. If you are at 40% you must be able to thin cut 9 ft regular shots like they're hangers.
 
crazy cross sides.....

Good job on the vid. Vernon managed to make 'em without an LD shaft.....that man had a monster stroke.
 
Vernon's shot

Not long before Vernon had his stroke which paralyzed the left side of his body he was giving me a few tips and basic fundamental instructions on where to hit the cue ball, etc. Afterwards I asked him about the shot you mention and he had me set the balls up and I watched him make that "impossible shot" a brain numbing number of times. With a house cue!!!!!! On a barbox!!!!! Believe me, that was only one of his many non human shots. He did say all his shots were easier on a nine foot table.
 
jamesjr1963 said:
He must have learned this from a Bert Kinister's video. I believe it's on his 10 Best Hustles.
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Well, no. Vernon was probably making his "impossible" shots before Bert was born.

Here is the side-pocket version of the bank. Note which side of the pocket the ball is on. The ball is completely on the "flat" -- the edge of the ball is even with the corner of the side pocket.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5tbr4N0P_w

Here is Joe Tucker shooting the side-pocket bank:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql-vXWEA_TU
Note that he over-cuts the second try even though the object ball is a whole ball on the other side of the side pocket.
 
Vernon's shot

The "impossible" cross side bank is the best known of Vernon's proposition shots. He told me of one of the times he was hustling this shot for money ($500 in this instance) and one of the group betting the shot couldn't be made included the legendary Eddie Taylor. Vernon said after Taylor made a few attempts at making the shot he agreed with the others that the shot couldn't be made; especially within the number of attempts Vernon said he could make it in. On Vernon's first attempt he banked the ball short. Said he would never forget that Taylor tried to let hem withdraw his bet. Vernon told him, no, that he had to pay like everone else. Another story he told me about involving this shot happened at one of the Johnston City hustlers tournaments of yesteryear. This one was about Freddie "The Beard" wanting to bet against Vernon making the shot. It was the first time they had met each other and was the beginning of their lasting friendship. Freddie also told me of this happening. Maybe Freddie will see this discussion and tell his version of the story. Nobdy is a better story teller than Freddie.
 
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