Video - Bert Kinister Tight Pocket Workout

I remember this one as being one of the better BK tapes. It's basic positional drilling with common-as-dirt everyday shots. You have to go one rail to the center of the table from several positions, two rails to the center, then there are various other targets like a side rail cut that goes over-and-back to leave the cueball near where the OB was. Even though he's on a small table, he gives himself a fairly smallish target (about a 6-7 inch ring on a piece of paper) and parks the cueball on it time after time. He emphasizes consistency here and he really seems to have it.
 
That posted video is from #18, but you are describing #1

Hi,

That video is from #18, the shotmaker's workout.

The drills and position play you are describing are from #1 I believe, which is the 60 minute
workout for 8-ball and 9-ball.

I'm quite surprised it was posted, but it sure seems to be legit.
 
First time I've ever listened to, or watched Bert K. I never buy instructional books, videos ect so it isn't unusual for me not to know some of these guys.

His instruction may help or motivate a number of you but I have a question. Does anybody else find this guy annoying? I mean he never shuts up. Personally I couldn't be around him long enough even if I could learn, to learn anything.

Rod
 
Rod said:
First time I've ever listened to, or watched Bert K. I never buy instructional books, videos ect so it isn't unusual for me not to know some of these guys.

His instruction may help or motivate a number of you but I have a question. Does anybody else find this guy annoying? I mean he never shuts up. Personally I couldn't be around him long enough even if I could learn, to learn anything.

Rod
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Eh, but if you get his 60 Minute Workout (#1) he'll have you telling yourself, maybe even chuckling while you imitate his accent, while you address the shot and start practice stroking, "This one's for Uncle Bert... nice stroke, do it, pot that baby, yeah!!"

At least it had that effect on me. I have a few other tapes of his, and say they've helped me a lot. He sure can talk up a storm. Not much dead air there.

Flex

Edit: Youtube hangs up quite often; finally got a better look at the Vid. Some of the shots on that tape are from the 60 Minute Workout... Some repetition going on, as I had read elsewhere.
 
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I agree his chatty style is annoying, on the other hand it might be intentional because he feels like the tape will seem too quiet and dead if he doesn't fill it up with talking. It's a lot more natural when there's another guy in the room (usually niels feijin) because then they both can joke.

I think in real life he's a fine instructor because how could anyone feel intimidated or nervous or foolish around a guy like this? He puts people at ease and is very likeable. If he were quiet and less goofy it'd probably rattle a student.
 
not sure which one it is, perhaps the Advanced Shotmaking tape? but in this tape Neils Feijen shoots the same shot over and over and over and over and over
and over
and over
and over
and over

and thats all thats on the tape. Bert keeps setting the drill up for him, and Neils keeps shooting the same shot over and over.

that tape is pretty much a waste...........

DCP
 
If he squeezed in about 10 tapes into 1, it would probably be a good deal
 
I was just curious by asking. The way he keeps going over every shot numerous times is just filler. Good for those that like that sort of thing I suppose but if you can play a little I don't think it's needed.

Rod
 
great stuff

I now see that those clips (starting about 5 minutes into the 03 one) indeed contain part of his #1 video as well.

I've always liked his style. I own many of his videos, and he really seems to "tell it like it really is".
 
god have mercy for his students with that voice i'd never make a ball, he might be nice guy etc, but the voice is just more than i can handle.
 
Fatboy said:
god have mercy for his students with that voice i'd never make a ball, he might be nice guy etc, but the voice is just more than i can handle.
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I hate to say it, but if you aim as he says on the first shot down the rail,,,,,,, the ball won't go.
 
ironman said:
I hate to say it, but if you aim as he says on the first shot down the rail,,,,,,, the ball won't go.
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One thing I've learned over time is that one thing is where one aims, another thing is where the object ball actually goes. Depending on how the shot is stroked, the object ball can be thrown quite a bit. It's also quite possible that the way Bert sees the shot is different from the way someone else may see it, and that can be due to his eyes, the degree of dominance one eye may have, as well as some optical illusion created by the strong line of the rail. It could well be that when he aims the way he mentions there, that the shot often drops, but if it doesn't, it will bounce out as he shows.

In any case, shooting the shot on the pro side, or the player's side as he mentions, is pretty good advice.

Flex
 
Flex said:
One thing I've learned over time is that one thing is where one aims, another thing is where the object ball actually goes. Depending on how the shot is stroked, the object ball can be thrown quite a bit. It's also quite possible that the way Bert sees the shot is different from the way someone else may see it, and that can be due to his eyes, the degree of dominance one eye may have, as well as some optical illusion created by the strong line of the rail. It could well be that when he aims the way he mentions there, that the shot often drops, but if it doesn't, it will bounce out as he shows.

In any case, shooting the shot on the pro side, or the player's side as he mentions, is pretty good advice.

Flex
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Well, ok. but why not aim at where it's going instead of where it ain't?

But, then again, I have seen him play.
 
This is an interesting point because his advanced shotmaking is all about tough shots where you must aim somewhere other than where you think.
I remember four or so shots from that tape, and one of them I absolutely could not explain (I pmed bob jewett about it a couple of days ago about it, see the bottom of the post).

Several of the shots use known pool principles to explain the weird aiming:

1. Thin cut down 6+ feet of the long rail to pocket a ball in the corner:
He tells you to aim to miss the ball by a few millimeters with loads of outside spin. The outside spin deflects the ball to the correct contact point. Why do this instead of no spin + normal aim? Maybe to cancel the effect of throw... I dunno. I just know it works.

2. Ultra long semi-thin cut with the cueball near the spot and the OB about an inch off the foot rail: He has you aim to overcut the ball as if you want to send it above the corner instead of into the corner. It should go into the corner because you almost can't overcut it... if you do overcut slightly, you end up just sinking it by hitting the thin side of the pocket... plus the slight effect of throw should shove it forward anyway.

3. Slightly angled shot where the cueball is a foot from the side rail and near the head of the table, and OB is almost on the rail near the foot: He has you hit it dead in the face, and the ball goes in anyway. I think this works just because you cheat the pocket. It hits the side rail, then the jaw, then maybe the other jaw before slopping in.

4. The weird one! Set the cueball up a couple of inches off the head rail and somewhere between the corner and the center of the table. Now line up the OB so that it's about 6-7 feet away and dead straight into the opposite corner. Finally, move the OB 3 or 4 inches sideways so that you leave a slight 'outside' cut, the cueball would hit the foot rail if you put top on it. So you end up with a long, almost straight diagonal shot to the opposite corner.

Bert has you aim to hit the OB directly in the face. Don't attempt to cut it even a millimeter. Since it's no longer lined up straight, it should bunt down to the foot rail if you truly hit it dead in the face. But instead it almost always drops in the pocket.

Bob's explanation (which was the only one I could think of) is that you're simply letting your brain make the shot for you... despite your best intentions, your brain won't let you hit the ball truly in the face, it somehow tricks your arm into making the slight cut. If you actually TRY to cut the ball, it almost always overcuts. Anyway, using this trick I got to making this shot like 3 out of 4 times, but apparently it's a bad habit to rely on a mental 'crutch' to make the shot, I should just train my arm to send the ball where I want.

All I can say is that after seeing the tape, I make these specific shots better. So I think it's worth watching.
 
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