tips
Chuck Fields Its like anything else said:
Video I just made: "How to replace/install a cue tip yourself"
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No offence but there was no close up of the job after you got done.......
Why not, are you afraid of us really seeing your work....
First, pool tables are not good work benches and a knife and glue is a no no when getting it around a pool table.
Second, this work should of taken place on top of a hard piece of wood.
Third, shit can the knife and use a flat wood chisel that you sharpened yourself on a stone.
Forth, I couldn't see how flush you got the tip trimmed to the ferrule.
Fifth, if you spit or used any kind of water or moisture on a layered tip, that would be the last tip you would install for me..............
Moisture is a layered tips worst enemy.......................................
Heat is its second enemy..........................
Sixth, I use about 4 or 5 big rubber bands to hold the tip tight while the glue dries.
When you replace a tip It should look like this.
And yes that was done with a lathe .
The ferrule is Ivory, I think it looks great.
Personally I have never seen anyone replace a tip by hand and do it as professionally as if a lathe had done it.
Not saying it cannot be done, its just I haven't ever seen it.
Ps I also like using a fiber pad between the ferrule and tip
Tips looks like lathe job, but ferulle llooks like hand job
Here is a G2 with a red fibre pad I installed yesterday.
Installed by hand. I dont get my lathe before January 2015
No offense but I wouldn't be showing this picture off....there are cuts in the sides, a
Terrible glue line and no shaping. A lathe is the only way to install a cue tip properly
. It can't stay concentric otherwise.
Here is a tiger H tip installed on my lathe
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I think the picture may be lying a bit. There is no glue line, it`s a shadow.
There is no cuts in the tips either, it`s again the macro picture lying. Burnishing does not produce a even colour.
The tip is not shaped yet.
Comparing a hand installed tip to a lathe installed tip is a bit unfair. But put it in context. You can install tips by hand for 1 or 2% of what a lathe costs and the result is very, very close.
Then why are you buying a lathe?
Because I`m starting to do more repairs and doing tips by hand is not practical anymore. I also get requests for other repair work like changing ferrules etc. So I need a lathe.
tip replacement
I am not sure how this thread will impact pool players who don't have there own lathe and haven't ever replaced their own tip.
A warning should be noted.
Regardless of how anyone replaces the tip on their cue if its not done right the possibility of destroying the ferrule and shaft is there.
The first signs of screwing up is when anything touches the ferrule.
Sand paper, knifes, carbide cutting tool on a lathe.
Most players do not want the ferrule size to change........................................
If the person who is replacing the tip has to make the ferrule smaller because they nicked the ferrule with a knife, razor blade, wood chisel, sand paper, file or anything else then STOP.
At anytime if the ferrule is made smaller my best advise is to stop and take the shaft to a cue repairman.......
This is what I see after someone who has tried to save money by replacing their own tips.
In this case the ferrule and SHAFT was sanded more on one side then the other side.
The shaft cannot be made bigger without replacing it.
I am not sure how this thread will impact pool players who don't have there own lathe and haven't ever replaced their own tip.
A warning should be noted.
Regardless of how anyone replaces the tip on their cue if its not done right the possibility of destroying the ferrule and shaft is there.
The first signs of screwing up is when anything touches the ferrule.
Sand paper, knifes, carbide cutting tool on a lathe.
Most players do not want the ferrule size to change........................................
If the person who is replacing the tip has to make the ferrule smaller because they nicked the ferrule with a knife, razor blade, wood chisel, sand paper, file or anything else then STOP.
At anytime if the ferrule is made smaller my best advise is to stop and take the shaft to a cue repairman.......
This is what I see after someone who has tried to save money by replacing their own tips.
In this case the ferrule and SHAFT was sanded more on one side then the other side.
The shaft cannot be made bigger without replacing it.
Closer to 0%, mike. If Chuck did those tips by hand then I'd say he's one out of a million.
Also, who wants to spend a day and a half tipping a cue when your friendly neighborhood cue repair person can do it in ten minutes, or less? :smile:
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Reading comprehension? See my original post (or don't -- doesn't really matter):
" -- As you’ll easily hear during the tip-overhang trimming with the razor-sharp utility knife’s blade, the excessive thumping sound on every stroke is the result of the hollow-core door which was my makeshift worktable (atop my table saw) for camcording purposes."
Arnaldo
This is my nominee for Post of the Year (if AZB has such an award).
My ferrules are ivory and we all know about the concerns over future ivory use. Nothing upsets me more than seeing my ferrules and possibly the end of my shaft sanded to make everything smooth. A repairman only sands one of my ferrules once. They never get to try again.
Greenie coming your way.
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no reason a hand installed tip isn't just fine
I suspect that a look at many tip installs done on machine wouldn't look too good blown up 10-20 times like we regularly do looking at things on a computer screen now. Many of the cues built by old masters don't look near so pretty either. Anyone ever really look at the pictures of the Silver Ginacue, maybe the most valuable cue in the world?
I posted to talk about cutting tools. Hard to beat a razor knife but there are a few caveats. I am talking about a fixed blade razor knife, the ones with blades that slide into the handle are the perfect recipe for damaging ferrules! Even the fixed blade knives may need shimming so there is no movement in the blade, none.
The blade is another issue, I tested them awhile back. Never use a heavy duty blade. They are the dullest of all. The bi-metal and cobalt covered blades, all of the premium blades, were distinctly sharper than standard blades, they are worth the money. Use a blade for nothing but tip installs and put a mark on it every time you install a tip with it. After installing three tips throw the blade in the pile for general use, no more tips with it.
Good eyes or good optics are needed to hold the bevel of the blade flush with the surface of the ferrule, not the blade itself. Slice gently with the blade, don't try to force it through the leather. A lubricant would no doubt give a cleaner cut, not sure which one to recommend. A little gentle burnishing and the tip should look just fine to the naked eye. I use leather to burnish my cue shaft, paper to burnish leather tips. A nice crisp hundred dollar bill is best to remind the tip what it is there for. You might get a little green on your ferrule if you really use new money, I like heavy typewriter paper pretty well.
I usually use a lathe now, got three of them so there is no reason not to.
Hu
I suspect that a look at many tip installs done on machine wouldn't look too good blown up 10-20 times like we regularly do looking at things on a computer screen now. Many of the cues built by old masters don't look near so pretty either. Anyone ever really look at the pictures of the Silver Ginacue, maybe the most valuable cue in the world?
I posted to talk about cutting tools. Hard to beat a razor knife but there are a few caveats. I am talking about a fixed blade razor knife, the ones with blades that slide into the handle are the perfect recipe for damaging ferrules! Even the fixed blade knives may need shimming so there is no movement in the blade, none.
The blade is another issue, I tested them awhile back. Never use a heavy duty blade. They are the dullest of all. The bi-metal and cobalt covered blades, all of the premium blades, were distinctly sharper than standard blades, they are worth the money. Use a blade for nothing but tip installs and put a mark on it every time you install a tip with it. After installing three tips throw the blade in the pile for general use, no more tips with it.
Good eyes or good optics are needed to hold the bevel of the blade flush with the surface of the ferrule, not the blade itself. Slice gently with the blade, don't try to force it through the leather. A lubricant would no doubt give a cleaner cut, not sure which one to recommend. A little gentle burnishing and the tip should look just fine to the naked eye. I use leather to burnish my cue shaft, paper to burnish leather tips. A nice crisp hundred dollar bill is best to remind the tip what it is there for. You might get a little green on your ferrule if you really use new money, I like heavy typewriter paper pretty well.
I usually use a lathe now, got three of them so there is no reason not to.
Hu
Tip replacement
New people to pool may not think about the damage they could do to a pool table with spilt glue or a slip with a razor blade or knife.
Everyone who makes their own video needs to make sure that what they are teaching to a beginner is safe working environment.
The standard of replacing a tip is set by the professionals , then all the DIY cue repairman and DIY players try to replace their tip themselves.
Regardless if its done with a lathe or by hand their workmanship is being judged by what a professional does.
Your pictures were not very shape of your finished product.
all the work you put into this video and in the end you couldn't show us how good of a job you did was disappointing and left me guessing if your technic looks professional or not..........
Bottom line is 9 times out of 10 people who replace there own tips end up sanding on the ferrule.
From there they sand on the shaft and pretty soon the shaft is out of round.
And in the end they bring it to a cue maker or repair man with lathe ................
Ps Spitting on a layered tip can make it delaminate ...
New people to pool may not think about the damage they could do to a pool table with spilt glue or a slip with a razor blade or knife.
Everyone who makes their own video needs to make sure that what they are teaching to a beginner is safe working environment.
The standard of replacing a tip is set by the professionals , then all the DIY cue repairman and DIY players try to replace their tip themselves.
Regardless if its done with a lathe or by hand their workmanship is being judged by what a professional does.
Your pictures were not very shape of your finished product.
all the work you put into this video and in the end you couldn't show us how good of a job you did was disappointing and left me guessing if your technic looks professional or not..........
Bottom line is 9 times out of 10 people who replace there own tips end up sanding on the ferrule.
From there they sand on the shaft and pretty soon the shaft is out of round.
And in the end they bring it to a cue maker or repair man with lathe ................
Ps Spitting on a layered tip can make it delaminate ...