Video - Nevel Vs Deuel - 10 Ball match where Deuel uses softbreak

I'm very happy to see these pool videos provided on line, but I'm also very curious as to why they seem to be playing these matches in the dark. Surely a digital camcorder can pick ambient light up better than this. Does anyone know why its so dark around the table?
 
3andstop said:
I'm very happy to see these pool videos provided on line, but I'm also very curious as to why they seem to be playing these matches in the dark. Surely a digital camcorder can pick ambient light up better than this. Does anyone know why its so dark around the table?
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because Corey unscrewed two of the light bulbs to create an advantage over Larry, obviously.
 
champ2107 said:
...fans of the game want to see run outs ...
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Not all fans. I personally think that it is very educational watching the pros deal with clusters and safeties. It gets pretty boring to watch pros running wide open racks all the time. I enjoyed the video.
 
Vinnie said:
Not all fans. I personally think that it is very educational watching the pros deal with clusters and safeties. It gets pretty boring to watch pros running wide open racks all the time. I enjoyed the video.
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Thats cool if u enjoyed the match, it reminded me of playing some banger that doesnt know how to break. Me personally I like to play skill head to head and I dont mind safety play during the game. Like I also stated in my first post I dont think it should be allowed in tourny play. Basicaally it seems like a sucky way to try and win in my opinion even though Cory would crush me playing with a baseball bat.
 
Concerning the rack

I do have two questions for anyone familiar with this tour...

1. Are players allowed to purposefully rack the balls in a specific order?

2. Did Larry ever inspect Corey's racks (between video cuts) to see if there were any gaps around the 8-9-10 cluster?

Corey's Rack...

1
5 8
4 10 9
3 6 7 2
 
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Vinnie said:
1. Are players allowed to purposefully rack the balls in a specific order?
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I imagine if pattern racking was against the tour rules, SOMEONE would have brought it up to the TDs. Corey was using the same rack pattern over and over, on multiple opponents.
 
champ2107 said:
Watched it and that soft break was brutal!! in my opinion thats bs! breaking like that leaves me to believe cory feels he can not win strait up. Seems like its bit of legal sharking to me I would have been pissed off if I were larry. At tournament level they shouldnt allow that break, fans of the game want to see run outs.

In hockey the weaker teams play a system called the trap to try and give them selves a chance of beating the stronger teams, not fun to watch or play against. They have placed rules to try and stop it and make it a free flowing game that everyone likes to watch.
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Was this in a tourney or a money game? Regardless, I couldn't care less what fans want to see. If there's a much better chance at winning playing this way, then do it. Your opponent has every right to do the same. I'd be much more interested (watching) to see how someone dealt with this tactic...than see runout after runout.

Why does Major League Baseball let those pitchers throw offspeed pitches and pitches that move 3 feet left to right, vice-versa, and up and down. I mean shouldn't the pitchers just have to throw it as hard as they can EVERYTIME to get the batter out? C'mon. If I knew someone COULDN'T hit a curveball, guess what I'm throwing him.

Complaining about a strategy that helps you win is like those in league who freak out if you play a lock-up saftey on them. Part of the game, and it should be.
 
trustyrusty said:
Was this in a tourney or a money game? Regardless, I couldn't care less what fans want to see. If there's a much better chance at winning playing this way, then do it. Your opponent has every right to do the same. I'd be much more interested (watching) to see how someone dealt with this tactic...than see runout after runout.

Why does Major League Baseball let those pitchers throw offspeed pitches and pitches that move 3 feet left to right, vice-versa, and up and down. I mean shouldn't the pitchers just have to throw it as hard as they can EVERYTIME to get the batter out? C'mon. If I knew someone COULDN'T hit a curveball, guess what I'm throwing him.

Complaining about a strategy that helps you win is like those in league who freak out if you play a lock-up saftey on them. Part of the game, and it should be.
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My sentiments exactly. Excellent post sir. A+++
Would read again.
 
I remember someone saying the tour rules was to have the 1 ball on the spot and the 2 and 3 ball in the bottom corner.
 
trustyrusty said:
Was this in a tourney or a money game? Regardless, I couldn't care less what fans want to see. If there's a much better chance at winning playing this way, then do it. Your opponent has every right to do the same. I'd be much more interested (watching) to see how someone dealt with this tactic...than see runout after runout.

Why does Major League Baseball let those pitchers throw offspeed pitches and pitches that move 3 feet left to right, vice-versa, and up and down. I mean shouldn't the pitchers just have to throw it as hard as they can EVERYTIME to get the batter out? C'mon. If I knew someone COULDN'T hit a curveball, guess what I'm throwing him.

Complaining about a strategy that helps you win is like those in league who freak out if you play a lock-up saftey on them. Part of the game, and it should be.
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No complaining here trusty rusty, I voiced my opinion on how I feel the game should be played at its highest level is all :) I understand doing what it takes to win as much as you do if not more. I just feel Cory tried a sucky way too win. If I would try and win that way deep down I would feel like I truly didnt earn it with my skill, but thats just me :) His break seems like it was meant to bog the game down and annoy your opponent and through him off his game, legal way of sharking is how I see it. :) No big deal just my opinion. I was at a tourny not long a go and watching a game and some guy started taking forever before each shot and his opponent started to get pissed off by it, again in my eyes it was a sucky way to try and win. Not trying to make u feel my way is right but how I see it.
 
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I got a very 'unfulfilled' feeling from watching that. They both played like crap, IMO. They should've given the prize money to a charity. I mean these are the two of the best players in the country, yet they both missed routine shots, Larry had a meltdown, and Corey broke like a pussy. I guess I just expect more, I actually like both players, especially Larry!

Imagine if Larry (or any top flight pro) had access to top flight sports psychologists and other modern training methods, like Olympic athletes do. You wouldn't see meltdowns like that and I think Americans would regain our stranglehold on this sport we all love. That is where we need to get to, IMO.

Eric
 
emf123 said:
I got a very 'unfulfilled' feeling from watching that. They both played like crap, IMO. They should've given the prize money to a charity. I mean these are the two of the best players in the country, yet they both missed routine shots, Larry had a meltdown, and Corey broke like a pussy. I guess I just expect more, I actually like both players, especially Larry!

Imagine if Larry (or any top flight pro) had access to top flight sports psychologists and other modern training methods, like Olympic athletes do. You wouldn't see meltdowns like that and I think Americans would regain our stranglehold on this sport we all love. That is where we need to get to, IMO.

Eric
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Most of that post was pretty retarded. JMHO.

BVal
 
Neil said:
Corey was out to win. He's playing a run-out player. What should his strategy be?? Hope your opponent doesn't run racks on you, or ensure that your opponent doesn't run racks on you. ??? Guess which is the right answer. Corey broke it down to a safety battle, where he figured to have the edge. Nevel wanted a runout game, and mentaly fell apart when he didn't get the chance for it.

Now, which one is the top player?? The one that used strategy, or the one that fell apart?? Nevel is great, but he has a few lessons to learn yet to be one of the top players. There's more to it than just pocketing balls.
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Cory is not a run out player? I would consider the top 100 (can I add a zero or two) players in the world to be run out players wouldnt you? You are right that he won!

So how I see your post is cory new he would get beat in a flat out evenly played race and needed to use strategy over skill to pull off the win. The strategy he used in my eyes was a form of legal sharking to through his opponent of his game. That was the first match I seen cory play since that ipt match, did he learn that break after that defeat? No disrespect to u Neil but I will debate this with u if u want in a respectful way ;)
 
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Corey runs balls as good as anybody last I checked, but why do that when your sure your opponent will implode. Despite the fact that he did this the entire tournament, it was a good move to put the brakes on Nevel as he free-wheeled to 4-0. Funny video to boot.
 
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DGunter said:
Corey runs balls as good as anybody last I checked, but why do that when your sure your opponent will implode. Despite the fact that he did this the entire tournament, it was a good move to put the brakes on Nevel as he free-wheeled to 4-0. Funny video to boot.
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Man i here that word often these days implode, hows about this, Corey runs balls as good as anybody last I checked, but why do that when you can make your opponent implode. San jose sharks playing tonite? :rolleyes:
 
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In this case that was the correct use of the word implode. On another day maybe Larry would do it on his own?
 
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My point wasn't that Corey's strategy was somehow unfair or cheap, but the way Larry dealt with it wasn't world class. It's not like he can't play a safety game, he's one of the best one pocket players in the world. I just expect more I guess. Maybe it was late and he just wanted to get home.

Bval-do you have anything constructive to add? If not, why would you post that. I'm pretty sure you didn't like being the target of the board mongrels in the past, correct?
 
champ2107 said:
Cory is not a run out player? I would consider the top 100 (can I add a zero or two) players in the world to be run out players wouldnt you? You are right that he won!

So how I see your post is cory new he would get beat in a flat out evenly played race and needed to use strategy over skill to pull off the win. The strategy he used in my eyes was a form of legal sharking to through his opponent of his game. That was the first match I seen cory play since that ipt match, did he learn that break after that defeat? No disrespect to u Neil but I will debate this with u if u want in a respectful way ;)
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Did you seriously just say Corey used "strategy over skill"?

Seriously?
 
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