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I still cannot believe all the fuss about racking the balls and breaking!!!

SO HERE IS MY PROPOSAL:
Number 1. Sardo Rack with the 1 ball on the foot spot
Number 2 Cue ball on the Head spot
How easy is that???Now were all even so break as hard or soft as you want no more fuss.......ahh back to the game.
You could do away with the Sardo rack as far as that goes because thats what changed the whole game anyways.
GRADY whats your take???? by the way accustats will NEVER be the same without you, Billy and Danny all on one tape.......never
aka:man of a thousand ideas:)
 
Here's my suggestion. Very simple. 4" pockets. They'll break and run out some but nothing like now.

Chris
 
Tate is correct.

1) 4 inch pockets as standard. The angle the pockets are cut must meet guidelines of the tour for every table manufacturer.

2) Sardo rack used. Break from anywhere behind the line.

3) Use a standard fast cloth speed. All companies wanting their cloth to be usable on the future tour must produce cloth that meets the standards and speed requirements.

4) No jump cues. The player must shoot all shots with their normal playing cue. This means no changing shafts mid game on your playing cue for a jump/masse/ect... as well.

5) Winner breaks

6) 10-ball made the standard game. Or a modified form of 15 ball rotation (see below)



Pro rotation. 15 balls (not called). 1-5 are worth 1-5 points respectively. 6-10 are worth 1-5 points respectively. 11-15 are worth 1-5 points respectively. Ball in hand due to a scratch. Balls potted on a scratch award the opponent the points. Person who sunk the last ball on the table breaks the next game, flukes count on the break. 45 points total are on each table. Matches are played to a set point total such as 300 points, first player to reach 300 points total wins.

The above game would really test even the top players. Runs of 90 points or more (2 tables) would be rare. It is also very easy to keep score, the score after each rack would be a multiple of 45 such as 90, 135, 180, 225, 270 ect....
 
I'll let you into a little secret... The pockets at the 2003 World Pool Championship in Cardiff International Arena were................................................

..............drum roll...................

..................3.7 inches wide!

No BS... I'm looking at my little black book right now! I measured the corner pockets at the points (4.3 inches) and the neck (3.7 inches).

They are snug, but well cut, and accept a ball better than you might imagine... Those players at the WPC just make it look too easy by being soooooooo damn good!
 
TATE said:
Here's my suggestion. Very simple. 4" pockets. They'll break and run out some but nothing like now.

Chris
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Chris,

I did not see where you are from. California Billiards in Mountainview, CA has several tables with pockets that small. You could still run racks because the pockets are correctly shaped. Same thing at the Green Room in Jersey. The tables may have double or triple shims but you can still make a ball down the rail. The tables at the Sands Reno Open are some of the most difficult because the pockets are so incorrect. It will be interesting to see what the ring game table plays like at the DCC.
 
cardiac kid said:
Chris,

I did not see where you are from. California Billiards in Mountainview, CA has several tables with pockets that small. You could still run racks because the pockets are correctly shaped. Same thing at the Green Room in Jersey. The tables may have double or triple shims but you can still make a ball down the rail. The tables at the Sands Reno Open are some of the most difficult because the pockets are so incorrect. It will be interesting to see what the ring game table plays like at the DCC.
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I'm from the Los Angeles area. I play on tables set up with 4" pockets measured from the points. They too are cut at the wrong angle so they drive you nuts. I don't love them but it does make the game more difficult. The sides are tight too.

From what I've seen, most of the tournament tables are 4 1/2" corners. I know the pros will still string racks but it's not the same. In fact, I haven't seen any put together more than two in a row there and we've had Efren, Max Eberle, Morro Paez and a lot of others.

Balls don't drop as readily on the break. It's harder to get in line to run out because you can't cheat the pockets really at all with 4 inchers. So getting that first shot in and getting in line is a lot harder. Full table bank shots are really risky too.

There are negatives too. It would not make for pretty viewing for the spectators, and some players have a more difficult time with tight pockets than others. I mean, we don't want to turn it into snooker but the time has come to tighten up the pockets.

Chris
 
Big Dave said:

No BS... I'm looking at my little black book right now! I measured the corner pockets at the points (4.3 inches) and the neck (3.7 inches).

They are snug, but well cut, and accept a ball better than you might imagine... Those players at the WPC just make it look too easy by being soooooooo damn good!
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Thanks for the info - those players sure did play great on those pretty tight tables. I'm suggesting 4 inches at the points which may not sound much tighter but plays a lot tighter - especially late in the match!

Chris
 
So now you want a pool room owner to change all his tables to 4 inches for the pro matches. Then what is he going to do when the pros leave? Keeping in mind that the pros might only play a couple times a year at a pool hall.

Tight pockets like that will chase away all his paying customers. there was one table in town that had 4 1/2" pockets (two balls snug) and it was the table that didn't get any play. It used to be the money table but those games dried up. So the next time the table got covered the pockets went back to 5".

Jake
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I think 5" pockets are fine and when the Pros show up, they should play with 4" balls... BURP ! (excuuuuuse ME)
HAPPY NEW YEAR, EVERYONE !!!!!!
 
I dont care about pocket size.Of course smaller is better. Im saying that breaking from the head spot makes the game fair for both guys/gals shooting. If you want to talk about pocket size the real issue there is going back to 10 foot tables,thats when it was a real game...... bigger table and smaller pockets.Im here to get some input on the break idea. Remember the old break box idea?That was painful to watch.We have to many rules now! thats why the game is never going to be a mainstream sport.Its way too confusing for the average person to follow(thats why we have to watch trick shots every day on espn) because its easy for the aveage person to understand.There are too many rules/nits changing things around. Lets try to make it simple and see what happens. Go to your local league and look at the confusion. They will have 36 rules to pocket 8 balls and they claim to support the game??? When 2 guys match up now to play we have a 2hr disscusion on what rules to use to make 8-9 balls.They even changed the 7ball rules and that was a worthless game to begin with.Guys that can run 300 balls are playing a game where they can make 3-4 on the snap and have to run 3-4 to run out....thats a circus act. Its was a great game for the old times to play on TV but it should have stopped right there......well? let me know.
 
I guess that you have to post your questions as an aguement and sling some mud around here to get any responce huh? OK my game is cue on the spot lets bet it up you nits!lol
 
Actually I wouldn't be opposed to cue ball on the spot for purposes of breaking nineball as long as "Grady's Rules" would also be employed as the same time. This would certainly clean up the game and allow it to have the stature that it deserves.
 
I like cb on the head spot only for the break and rack your own balls if you want. I hate trying to rack the balls right for a finicky player!

I also like the idea of 4" pockets and the 5X10 tables. We'll never know how the current players might play compared to Willie, Ralph, etc. until we have at least some of the same playing conditions.
 
jjinfla said:
So now you want a pool room owner to change all his tables to 4 inches for the pro matches. Then what is he going to do when the pros leave? Keeping in mind that the pros might only play a couple times a year at a pool hall.

Tight pockets like that will chase away all his paying customers. there was one table in town that had 4 1/2" pockets (two balls snug) and it was the table that didn't get any play. It used to be the money table but those games dried up. So the next time the table got covered the pockets went back to 5".

Jake
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Jake,

My experience has been just the opposite. Most of the places I've played in like to have the front table be the "Action table and the house players like the table to play tough, tight pockets, fast cloth, etc. I've always thought of it as the "trap" table giving the house players an advantage. When the roadies come in, the house players insist on playing on the "Action" table.
 
GOLF....the standard in golf is the size of the holes and the size of the balls, the path to get there is very different, and you have to worry about the weather!

BOWLING....60' from foul line to the pins and the pins are the same size...almost any bowling alley oils it's lanes differently, outside ten boards are wet, inside boards are dry, etc.

POOL....the pool balls are a standard 2 1/4" but the tables have different sizes and angles of pockets and different cushion material and there are many types of cloth

The PRO's are PRO's because they focus and adapt better than NON-PRO's under different circumstances !!!
 
We just need to get some standard rules ...but...I do not think that the professional rules need to be the same as the amatuer rules.
 
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