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JONATHAN GERNON! Does anyone in the LA BASIN know this name?? I put out a request for a new or used Predator Z-2 3/8 x 10 joint, both on AZB and various FACEBOOK sites. I am/was searching for this shaft for an elderly friend who basically lives to play pool. I received an almost immediate response, with a photo of a Z-2 shaft, asking $150 from MR. JONATHAN GERNON. I asked him for his PAYPAL ADDRESS for payment. He responded that he did NOT have a PAYPAL account, however, he did have ZELLE. In my haste to find a shaft for my friend, and having never in 40 years had anyone pulling a SHAM, I sent the money (by Zelle) to his account. He asked for a copy of the Zelle receipt showing the $150 to his account. Once again, I complied to his request. Once he saw the receipt, he notified me that he would notify me when the shaft was sent. To date, I have heard nothing more from him. Not a shaft, not a message, not a word. Anyone who knows this guy, has any contact with him, PLEASE send me a p.m. on FACEBOOK or here on AZB.
When one trusts another to keep his word, and then, after all funds have been paid, totally ignores the buyer and refuses any correspondence, one loses all trust of truly honest people.
JONATHAN GERNON is the lowest of low. He is what remains beneath a pile of dog feces.
I will most likely never see a shaft or any money from this guy. KARMA comes around when least expected. I guess I've learned a valuable (costly) lesson. It's hard for me to believe one can't trust others. I have been in the Billiard Community for 60+ years and have never had a negative situation in reference to purchases or sales. If this guy is one of your acquaintances, PLEASE let him know that this guy from Central California is making him famous! A long-time friend stated that there are 100's of scammers in the Billiard Community, and things like this happen all the time. Well, I still have faith in the thousands of people I have met, playing and meeting honest people in the Billiard Community. This might be just wasting my time, however, if this post can save anyone else from being taken advantage of, then my time has been well spent.
Tony Predes, Atwater, CA
 
TAP said:
JONATHAN GERNON! Does anyone in the LA BASIN know this name?? I put out a request for a new or used Predator Z-2 3/8 x 10 joint, both on AZB and various FACEBOOK sites. I am/was searching for this shaft for an elderly friend who basically lives to play pool. I received an almost immediate response, with a photo of a Z-2 shaft, asking $150 from MR. JONATHAN GERNON. I asked him for his PAYPAL ADDRESS for payment. He responded that he did NOT have a PAYPAL account, however, he did have ZELLE. In my haste to find a shaft for my friend, and having never in 40 years had anyone pulling a SHAM, I sent the money (by Zelle) to his account. He asked for a copy of the Zelle receipt showing the $150 to his account. Once again, I complied to his request. Once he saw the receipt, he notified me that he would notify me when the shaft was sent. To date, I have heard nothing more from him. Not a shaft, not a message, not a word. Anyone who knows this guy, has any contact with him, PLEASE send me a p.m. on FACEBOOK or here on AZB.
When one trusts another to keep his word, and then, after all funds have been paid, totally ignores the buyer and refuses any correspondence, one loses all trust of truly honest people.
JONATHAN GERNON is the lowest of low. He is what remains beneath a pile of dog feces.
I will most likely never see a shaft or any money from this guy. KARMA comes around when least expected. I guess I've learned a valuable (costly) lesson. It's hard for me to believe one can't trust others. I have been in the Billiard Community for 60+ years and have never had a negative situation in reference to purchases or sales. If this guy is one of your acquaintances, PLEASE let him know that this guy from Central California is making him famous! A long-time friend stated that there are 100's of scammers in the Billiard Community, and things like this happen all the time. Well, I still have faith in the thousands of people I have met, playing and meeting honest people in the Billiard Community. This might be just wasting my time, however, if this post can save anyone else from being taken advantage of, then my time has been well spent.
Tony Predes, Atwater, CA
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When did you send the payment? Was it long ago?

I have a hard time using anything but paypal with buyer protection other than actual friends I know in real life. That's how these POS get you though, an offer just good enough to get a bite then change the game midway. He knew you were comfortable with paypal and the instant he got you uncomfortable with a different payment method he knew he had the hook in.

Hopefully the guy gets caught or you get the shaft sent. There are good folks out there but in today's times you better not drop the soap. 🙁
 
at least you didnt send 40,000 to nigeria for the prince.

so you sent money to someone who you dont know and didnt bother to google him for his name and address. and see things about him to verify who you are sending money to?
and then sent it so you had no recourse to get it back.

you have been on this site for enough years to not get fooled by this. you also are not likely to have been dealing with a person from this site or even in the billiard community just a person that looks for a fool and his money.

hope you learned a cheap lesson.
 
There is a sheriff-coroner with that name (San Bernardino). He probably isn't the guy who scammed you but he might be interested in finding the guy who scammed you with his name....
 
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Bob Jewett said:
Why do you think he is from California? Why do you think he is in the US? Why do you believe he will use that name again?
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Hi Bob! I recognize your name! I have his phone number, which is his user name and bank. That's where the money went. His area code is LA Basin. His name showed up on the Zelle receipt. Someone made mention that the given name is a regional Sheriff??. Thanks guys! Just trying to mm make sure it doesn't happen again..
 
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maha said:
at least you didnt send 40,000 to nigeria for the prince.

so you sent money to someone who you dont know and didnt bother to google him for his name and address. and see things about him to verify who you are sending money to?
and then sent it so you had no recourse to get it back.

you have been on this site for enough years to not get fooled by this. you also are not likely to have been dealing with a person from this site or even in the billiard community just a person that looks for a fool and his money.

hope you learned a cheap lesson.
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You are correct Sir. Once bitten.......!
 
sooner or later all creeps end up getting their just rewards.
you might have enough info to get the ball rolling. good luck.
 
TAP said:
JONATHAN GERNON! Does anyone in the LA BASIN know this name?? I put out a request for a new or used Predator Z-2 3/8 x 10 joint, both on AZB and various FACEBOOK sites. I am/was searching for this shaft for an elderly friend who basically lives to play pool. I received an almost immediate response, with a photo of a Z-2 shaft, asking $150 from MR. JONATHAN GERNON. I asked him for his PAYPAL ADDRESS for payment. He responded that he did NOT have a PAYPAL account, however, he did have ZELLE. In my haste to find a shaft for my friend, and having never in 40 years had anyone pulling a SHAM, I sent the money (by Zelle) to his account. He asked for a copy of the Zelle receipt showing the $150 to his account. Once again, I complied to his request. Once he saw the receipt, he notified me that he would notify me when the shaft was sent. To date, I have heard nothing more from him. Not a shaft, not a message, not a word. Anyone who knows this guy, has any contact with him, PLEASE send me a p.m. on FACEBOOK or here on AZB.
When one trusts another to keep his word, and then, after all funds have been paid, totally ignores the buyer and refuses any correspondence, one loses all trust of truly honest people.
JONATHAN GERNON is the lowest of low. He is what remains beneath a pile of dog feces.
I will most likely never see a shaft or any money from this guy. KARMA comes around when least expected. I guess I've learned a valuable (costly) lesson. It's hard for me to believe one can't trust others. I have been in the Billiard Community for 60+ years and have never had a negative situation in reference to purchases or sales. If this guy is one of your acquaintances, PLEASE let him know that this guy from Central California is making him famous! A long-time friend stated that there are 100's of scammers in the Billiard Community, and things like this happen all the time. Well, I still have faith in the thousands of people I have met, playing and meeting honest people in the Billiard Community. This might be just wasting my time, however, if this post can save anyone else from being taken advantage of, then my time has been well spent.
Tony Predes, Atwater, CA
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You've been on her EIGHTEEN years and you don't know by now how to pay for shit?????????????????????? Wanna blame someone go look in the mirror. sorry for being so harsh but its true.
 
with his zelle account cant you find out for sure who he is
call the bank
ask to talk to a manager
tell them the story
even tho it probably wont get your money back
you might alert them to suspicious transactions
last
in the wanted/for sale forum there is a transaction thread to report this type of stuff
you may want to place your post there too

Transactions Report

Had a good or bad experience with someone in the billiards industry? This is the place to tell us about it.
forums.azbilliards.com
 
Bishop said:
How about just making your point without being insulting.

We should be here to help people not shit on them when they’re down.
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The only solution for this issue is don't fall for it again. Zelle is an instant transfer. It's not a processor they don't hold funds like paypal. Never send funds via zelle if you don't know them. You have to thank the US goverment on Zelle they forced all banks to support it.
 
Zerksies said:
The only solution for this issue is don't fall for it again. Zelle is an instant transfer. It's not a processor they don't hold funds like paypal. Never send funds via zelle if you don't know them. You have to thank the US goverment on Zelle they forced all banks to support it.
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I’m aware. You could have simply informed the op rather than berate them.
 
the op seems like a good guy with stand up values.

but i am sure he also realizes what a mistake he made and sometimes a good slap in the face is needed and welcomed.
it isnt always an insult but a rude awakening for a person . i like it when i do something ridiculous if friends tell me i was a dumb shit.
 
as said zellle and a few others are the same as sending cash , so you are taking the same results of that. except for a scam you can a bbb said find out some facts about the person. and if persistent get some revenge back by letting his business associates know what he is up to.
 
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maha said:
the op seems like a good guy with stand up values.

but i am sure he also realizes what a mistake he made and sometimes a good slap in the face is needed and welcomed.
it isnt always an insult but a rude awakening for a person . i like it when i do something ridiculous if friends tell me i was a dumb shit.
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Your post was basically equivalent to “I told you so.” or “You should know better by now.”
It basically allows you, the message sender, to feel okay about what happened, not the OP.
 
the laws might differ there and you can check with your local courthouse, but assuming it's similar there, basically, if you want justice you can likely start a case in small claims court, then you have to serve him the hearing notice or have a file server that is local to him , or a friend, do that, so you need his whereabouts. here the court wants an affidavit to say it was delivered so that there is no question that he was aware of the court appearance date.

what location the hearing is, I dont know so cant; answer. the court filing costs and costs of hiring a file server can perhaps be applied to the case.
likely its not at all worth your $150 for the trouble but I think if it were me I'd set aside those costs and the trouble under principle and go for it anyway.

I think it maybe the same in the US or Canada that the statue of limitations is 2 years, so if you wait past that date you might not have a case. you could ask a lawyer about that.

If he has a legal business you might try contacting the better business bureau, when Ive filed claims with them here I've had great results. I did it with amazon for a non delivery that they failed to resolve, for example.

obviously there are some differences in law between the US and Canada so don't take any of this as legal advice, I'm only making the point that you may have some legal recourse if you can locate him physically.

likely your local court can advise on procedures, for strategy you might need a lawyers advice.

I can say I have asked judges here to allow an alternate method of service, so perhaps you could ask if you can get permission to serve him by email and phone.

the other question I'd have is what court location would such a small debt's case hearing be held, here is is the location of the offense but since it was an online deal, Its not clear to me, and of course such rules may differ there.
you might ask if there is a minimum, Its obviously not a big case but I think a lot of it is about your principles and not necessarily just about money.

Myself, Id walk into a courthouse and ask some questions.. or call the lawyer referral service and here we get some legal time without a lot of cost so a lawyer can talk to you about taking a case. no lawyer will want the case , not really, any lawyer knows it likely won't pay his fees,

my guess is you'd be paying unless a judge decides that the legal fees or lawyers costs are the debtor's cost, that's a gamble without a big chance of any appreciable payout. If such a ruling was made he might be out far more than 150 for creating the issue, but a judge would have to make such decisions. Perhaps if you have a case a judge may side with youand come to the realization you are simly wanting justice and see any associated costs as a debt owing to you in addition to the 150. It could also not go your way at all and then youare faced with even greater costs.

why would you do all that? Surely not for only the $150 but It could be the case that you'd rather spend double or triple that and have him pay what's owing and the associated court costs , perhaps travel time, hotels, etc. etc, the other obvious option is to walk and feel like he got away with it.

Perhaps there is a case that he cost you time and a judge might rule on that with some monetary measures? if you track all your time spent you might have a case with that argument? just in case it did end in that it doesnt hurt to jot down your time and maybe start a file with emals texts , notes on time spent, stay organized with that. courts deal in facts, not heresay.

it may come down to what makes you sleep best at night, and your level of interest in justice over just letting it go. I don't think anyone should fault you on that delicate personal decision. Im certainly not trying to sway you or advise legally, those are your decisions and you'd have to do your own homework to see whare the local laws lie.
Im certainly no expert on US law, or the American court system. I do have experience in dealing with a similar case here, where Im representing myself and it involved a lot more money, many court challenges, like you I trusted when I shouldn't have and had to react to a situation of injustice,

I only have a sense of the feelings associated, and I know this stuff can keep one up at night. we all make errors in judgement sometimes and I don't think youshould beat yourself up over it, if others insult you over the forum it is just a rediculous show of lack of sensitivity.

your post might help someone else , and you made that point. Good on you for posting the warning
for the benefit of others. Its admirable.
 
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