Cardigan Kid - thanks, interesting. BTW, Mike Dechaine has a new video coming out called Break Mechanic with the tag line "it's almost cheating." I'm not kidding. Click the link.
Was this a foul at TS or a SHARK
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I would like to see "no push" after the break, the break is a skill shot at the pro level.
Nothing is going to fix the "racking wars" (the players today know to much) except using a neutral racker and the player has to accept the rack unless something crazy happens like a ball rolls off after the balls are set.
Long ago, I proposed that the players alternate racking. After the balls are racked, they flip a coin to see who breaks. Probably not perfect but would cut down on a lot of nonsense.
It is what it is. I personally like Zuglans format, winner breaks, loser racks, 1 on the spot & the 9 on the snap is a win. It's what 9 ball always was before the whining & should always be.
I watched a match between Karen Corr and Bucky on a table that had been breaking tough for everyone throughout the tournament & as her breaks were coming up dry she started to get picky seemingly suggesting shenanigans when it was just the table was tough. 2 racks later she made the 9 on the snap & stopped sniveling.
Again it is what it is, if you hate the racking wars then ***** to Joe Tucker, he's the one that created this monster with his rack mechanic books & DVD's. Prior to that this info was not a wildfire out of control.
I watched a match between Karen Corr and Bucky on a table that had been breaking tough for everyone throughout the tournament & as her breaks were coming up dry she started to get picky seemingly suggesting shenanigans when it was just the table was tough. 2 racks later she made the 9 on the snap & stopped sniveling.
Again it is what it is, if you hate the racking wars then ***** to Joe Tucker, he's the one that created this monster with his rack mechanic books & DVD's. Prior to that this info was not a wildfire out of control.
I don't really agree with the "that's the way it's always been" mentality. While we all enjoy seeing pro pool played at its highest level, I think we're being a bit overly critical of Jayson Shaw in particular. I watched the stream most of the weekend, and every match I watched, the players were inspecting every rack. I also find it funny that everyone had all these snide comments about Mike being a rack inspector and rack mechanic, yet when he was on the receiving end of it, all of a sudden Jay is the bad one. I'm not knocking either player, as I've met both and they're both approachable. Remember, we're all competitive in here as well. given that, I can perfectly understand the frustration with the quality of the racking.
on another note... when the back balls are loose, the 9 will always track to a corner pocket.
I'm eager to see how the accu-rack performs at the open.
Agreed, I think a lot of the re-racks over and over again are until that rack gets the gap that player wants.
Turning Stone is why I'm all for templates. Yes the wing ball goes 99% of the time but that's what the pro's seem to want. They want a perfect rack and spend 1-3 minutes looking for it.
I watched most of Turning Stone and it got to be a joke. It wasn't fun watch 2-5 minute racks. You could see the back ball rolling off, we watched Shane try to tap the 1 ball in place and the rack still wasn't good, we watched 2-3 racks per game. If it's that hard to rack just use templates already..
I watched most of Turning Stone and it got to be a joke. It wasn't fun watch 2-5 minute racks. You could see the back ball rolling off, we watched Shane try to tap the 1 ball in place and the rack still wasn't good, we watched 2-3 racks per game. If it's that hard to rack just use templates already..
What is it that you don't agree with. Prior to the Europeans entering the game in force about 15 years ago the format that Mike Zuglan uses at TS was the format predominantly used in every tournament.
You didn't see alternating breaks, rack your own or the 9 being racked on the spot or the 9 not counting on the break. These format changes started occurring because of whining in the last 15 years resulting in as many different formats regarding the break as there are tournaments. You may not agree with it but it is a fact. I also enjoyed the old school format Mike employed at TS.
sorry but
Mike D has been notorious with racking people since 2010. I wouldn't trust the michelin man either if he were racking for me. He will slug people and then dispute their racks. I don't blame Jayson at all. Should he have gotten a warning and been pulled aside for a second? Yes. Would I have pulled both of them aside and said get your shit together. Yes. Rack your own, 9 doesn't count and 2 ball is racked at the back.
Mike D has been notorious with racking people since 2010. I wouldn't trust the michelin man either if he were racking for me. He will slug people and then dispute their racks. I don't blame Jayson at all. Should he have gotten a warning and been pulled aside for a second? Yes. Would I have pulled both of them aside and said get your shit together. Yes. Rack your own, 9 doesn't count and 2 ball is racked at the back.
Here's a question for the group:
What do you think a casual observer who isn't a big pool fan would think if they were flipping through the channels and stumbled onto Rackapalooza 2015? Think they would be entertained? Think it would make them want to watch more?
What do you think a casual observer who isn't a big pool fan would think if they were flipping through the channels and stumbled onto Rackapalooza 2015? Think they would be entertained? Think it would make them want to watch more?
rack your own...9 doesn't count anywhere (pros should be running out to win racks not lucking in a 9 on the break)...and i really like the rack clock idea. seems simple. have the racker hit a timer when he gets out of his chair to go to the table...balls need to be set to break in say...60-90 seconds? seems like that would cut probably 5-7 minutes off most racks at turning stone. 9 ball isn't broken...it's become severely dented and damaged with these racking issues though. haha
Not a good idea. Why not just give your opponent 2 terrible racks? Easy win right?
People need to learn how to rack. Also people need to learn how to not be pieces of crap.
Did Jayson Shaw have racking issues with any other opponents? I believe even among the pros, most people do not know what a good rack *is*. This is a big obstacle to producing a good one.
KMRUNOUT
A fix to this problem
the person breaking can ask for 1 rerack then , the racker must break........So, if the racker is trrying to give the breaker a shit rack, he must break that rack without a rerack.... Im suprised, when the tables arent yielding balls on the break that the breaker doesnt pass the break...... Ive seen pros do it in the 1980's..... Its one way to stop the rack bullshit
the person breaking can ask for 1 rerack then , the racker must break........So, if the racker is trrying to give the breaker a shit rack, he must break that rack without a rerack.... Im suprised, when the tables arent yielding balls on the break that the breaker doesnt pass the break...... Ive seen pros do it in the 1980's..... Its one way to stop the rack bullshit
Bring back the Sardo Rack! :dance:
I kind of like the idea of "giving your opponent a taste of their own medicine", 'if you don't like the re-rack,' you can make your opponent break that particular rack, EXCEPT, he could be breaking all of the time (providing he gives you a bad re-rack every time) and that isn't a good idea either.
Just sayin...
JoeyA