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Rick dont worry he is not going anywhere! I heard that song and dance before lol "im going to the other website where they love me boo hoo 
" It would kill him not to post on here to tell all of us how bad we are and how great that he is. I want to make it clear to eveyone here I dont like trouble or seek it out, I just get tired of people who dont give others credit.
" It would kill him not to post on here to tell all of us how bad we are and how great that he is. I want to make it clear to eveyone here I dont like trouble or seek it out, I just get tired of people who dont give others credit.fast larry
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The bottle shot
In San Francisco, At Cochrans Billiards Also Known As The 1028 Club [ The Address Was 1028 E. Market St.] In Either 1961 Or 1962 A Great Player Named Norman Webber Put A Beer Bottle Against The Side Rail Next To The Corner Pocket And Put The 11 Ball On Top Of The Bottle.
See page three for jerry's full post.
Titanic Jerry
Hi Jerry, this is Fast: I once knew a player named Ti, he was from my home state of Missouri, I watched him work, his name was Titanic also, Thompson, the greatest con man I ever saw, he put Fatty to shame.
Ok Jerry, I did not have the time to devote to this shot, my answer was incomplete. I had to run to pick up Mike Massey for dinner and I should not have rushed my reply, that was a mistake. People see shots on TV and come up to me and want me to make them. I go set it up like you saw it. Almost every time they screw it up, they leave this and that out. They never remember the shot they saw just the day before. This happened to you, you saw the shot, and you just did not remember all of the components of it. Sorry, I did not mean to offend you on this. This is quite normal. Please sir, do not take offense, I do not challenge what you saw.
May I apologize to you sir and explain to you what you actually saw. You forgot there was a ramp ball; your description was a cold jump that did not happen. A cold jump makes the shot almost impossible.
Remember I began playing when we did not have cars and I had to ride trigger to the pool hall and tie him up out front of the joint. When it rained, that was really a bitch. When I began play, the newspaper arrived curled up in a papayas role. The headline of the day was Moses books it out of Israel, the heabes make a clean escape, Pharaoh pissed and in hot pursuit. None of us then believed that part the Red Sea crap; I mean how big a trick that had to be or what? Who did that heab think he was, David Copperfield? Oh boy, now I got all the Krauts on my butt, here comes the Heabes.
I have been watching these people make these shots now for over a half of a century. I know the shots there were doing, exactly how they were doing them back in the 40’s, I was playing pool during WWII. I am the third leading historian in the US on artistic trick shots so I am an expert on this subject, my data and information mostly came from the #1 and #2 experts, Shamos and Byrne. I was trained by many world champions and hall of famers.
Here is what you saw, he shot his cue ball into an object ball and it may or may not have potted, the cue ball ramps up in the air off of the ob to strike the ob sitting on top of the bottle. The purpose of the trick is to simply knock the ob off of the bottle; if he does that he takes the applause and goes to the next shot. Now and then he hits it real good and knocks the ob off of the bottle and it pots, his applause doubles, nobody does this every time, this is a very tough shot. Once in 10,000, a lucky fluke occurs and the CB knocks the ob off the bottle and takes its place. What you saw was a lucky accident. I know, it’s happened to me twice in 50 years it is that rare and when it did, everyone thought I was some God from another planet. It you don’t believe that, then go out and actually do it, then you will see. I was more astonished to see this occur than they were. This is what you saw sir, which was a once in a life time fluke lucky shot, yes you were amazed by it. Anything you tell me you saw Norm make, I sir believe it. He was the best of his era. All of us, now and then, get lucky and do something like this and then talk about it for years.
Did Norm invent it, no; others got lucky and did those decades before him. Sorry, please I did not mean to dispute your word or what you saw, but sometimes what we see, we do not fully understand, especially when it comes to trick shots. There is a lot going on and they happen so fast. The same thing happens in car accidents, 10 people can see the crash, talk to all 10 the next day and you get 10 separate versions of it. The mind remembers what it thinks it saw, not always what it actually saw. Ask any cop or lawyer and they will tell you this is true.
I have nothing but the highest level of respect and admiration for the great Norm the Farmer Weber; he was one of the greats of his time. He is a friend, I admire him. Go into my web site under www.fastlarrypool.com tabs at the left side, open the tab; tables and cues, then scroll down and again on the left are a quote from Norm. Left click the under line and it opens to show his picture, door poster and some nice things he said about me and my game.
This is a jump shot, at the turn of the century on a billiard table they would shoot a CB into a red, ramp up and over a top hat, no pot, no billiard or carom and it would bring the house down.
Today that would pull a yawn at best. I put Max the Wonder Dog on a pool table and I do the same shot. Max is 135 lbs, he is big and he has a gut bigger than mine. That big boy does love to eat and it shows. It’s one hell of a fine jump to clear his big carcass. The cue ball goes down table and pots a 9 ball after jumping over the dog. Max hates this shot, it scares the hell out of him, and he know how bad I am at this. I make him close his eyes when I shoot or I blind fold him, what he does not see coming helps him get through it. The ball goes over his gut not his head, so if I do miss, no damage done, don’t be calling the Humane Society on me, they about shut down Ringling Bros on this stuff. Mike Massey shoots a ball through the legs of his little shitzu, that dog is really terrified, he shakes like a leaf and Mike never misses.
I have a picture on my studio wall of the great Billiard Japanese champion who gave Willie Hoppe fits from 1928, Yamada. He has a closed loop bridge on the rail, is jacked up, shoots into a ramp ball, CB flies up into the air, hits ball sitting on top of a big beer bottle the size of a whiskey fifth, knocks ball off bottle, applause please. That’s the Weber shot you saw, it’s been around since the 20’s, and we call it the bottle shot. Standing next to Yamada in the picture are the two Katsura sisters, Masako and Noriko who would both become world famous. The bottle shot became their signature shot.
The shot spread to Europe and the world champion Isrido Ribas of Spain picked it up as did Charlie Peterson in the USA in the 30’s.
In the 50’s The Great Gargani of Argentina made is famous in South America on a Billiard table and Norm Weber and others moved it to a pool table in the USA.
The shot then began to upgrade, you would try and knock off the top ball from the bottle and pot it in a corner, and sometimes you did this.
Weenie Beenie did this and did an in off of the cue ball on TV, probably again got lucky by accident, but a new shot was born once more. It was a 2in2 pot.
Dozens of world class people were shooting this shot all over the world now. Some time around the early 70’s, somebody, we don’t know who got the bright idea to set two balls on top of the bottle balancing two on top of each other. He was obviously trying to ramp up and knock off the top ball and leave the bottom one on the bottle. He missed, came up short hitting the bottom ball by accident and was astonished to see the bottom ball fly out and the top ball fall and balance on the bottle cap. It’s the pull the table cloth real fast from under all the dishes on the table trick. The modern 2 ball bottle shot was born. It was probably Japanese who did this.
The bottle thing has always been a Japanese trick, very popular there. Kimura of Japan and me both invented the 3 ball bottle shot at the same exact time, you knock out the bottom two balls and the top ball falls. That was around 91, 92. We decided to co share that world record.
In 93 I was the first person to make the 4 ball bottle shot and got in Ripley’s world wide for that accomplishment. This was a world record. The shot was seen in 275 newspapers on 5 continents, in 19 languages and read by 100,000,000 people. In 2000 I performed the shot live on prime time TV to an audience of 170 million people on the premier of the new Ripleys TV show. My set up of the shot, stacking and balancing of the 4 balls and execution of it took one minute and 3 seconds and it went down on the first snap. By the time the multiple re runs and airing of the show occurred world wide, 500,000,000 people saw my shot. Some say this was the greatest shot hit of all time, or one of the top 5 ever.
I was first to hit the 5 ball bottle shot, top ball falls again to stick. Another world record.
I taught my student and National Amateur trick shot champion Willie Smith to do this and Willie recently set the new world record making a 6 ball bottle shot, knocking out the bottom 5 balls and the top 6th ball fell to balance on the bottle top. Any body up for going for 7?
The bottle shot is also my signature shot. That is the history of the shot; I thank you for your time and review of it. I only do the 2 ball shot in my show and it is my favorite shot I do. Every now and then I get talked into doing the 4 ball shot. The only other person who’s made that shot other than me since 93 is Willie and I taught him the secret of the shot. There is a inside secret to many of these world class shots.
May God bless and peace be with you. May the wind be always on your back and all 9 balls fall. VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. Latin for “I came, I saw, I conquered, love conquerors all.
“Fast Larry” Guninger
In San Francisco, At Cochrans Billiards Also Known As The 1028 Club [ The Address Was 1028 E. Market St.] In Either 1961 Or 1962 A Great Player Named Norman Webber Put A Beer Bottle Against The Side Rail Next To The Corner Pocket And Put The 11 Ball On Top Of The Bottle.
See page three for jerry's full post.
Titanic Jerry
Hi Jerry, this is Fast: I once knew a player named Ti, he was from my home state of Missouri, I watched him work, his name was Titanic also, Thompson, the greatest con man I ever saw, he put Fatty to shame.
Ok Jerry, I did not have the time to devote to this shot, my answer was incomplete. I had to run to pick up Mike Massey for dinner and I should not have rushed my reply, that was a mistake. People see shots on TV and come up to me and want me to make them. I go set it up like you saw it. Almost every time they screw it up, they leave this and that out. They never remember the shot they saw just the day before. This happened to you, you saw the shot, and you just did not remember all of the components of it. Sorry, I did not mean to offend you on this. This is quite normal. Please sir, do not take offense, I do not challenge what you saw.
May I apologize to you sir and explain to you what you actually saw. You forgot there was a ramp ball; your description was a cold jump that did not happen. A cold jump makes the shot almost impossible.
Remember I began playing when we did not have cars and I had to ride trigger to the pool hall and tie him up out front of the joint. When it rained, that was really a bitch. When I began play, the newspaper arrived curled up in a papayas role. The headline of the day was Moses books it out of Israel, the heabes make a clean escape, Pharaoh pissed and in hot pursuit. None of us then believed that part the Red Sea crap; I mean how big a trick that had to be or what? Who did that heab think he was, David Copperfield? Oh boy, now I got all the Krauts on my butt, here comes the Heabes.
I have been watching these people make these shots now for over a half of a century. I know the shots there were doing, exactly how they were doing them back in the 40’s, I was playing pool during WWII. I am the third leading historian in the US on artistic trick shots so I am an expert on this subject, my data and information mostly came from the #1 and #2 experts, Shamos and Byrne. I was trained by many world champions and hall of famers.
Here is what you saw, he shot his cue ball into an object ball and it may or may not have potted, the cue ball ramps up in the air off of the ob to strike the ob sitting on top of the bottle. The purpose of the trick is to simply knock the ob off of the bottle; if he does that he takes the applause and goes to the next shot. Now and then he hits it real good and knocks the ob off of the bottle and it pots, his applause doubles, nobody does this every time, this is a very tough shot. Once in 10,000, a lucky fluke occurs and the CB knocks the ob off the bottle and takes its place. What you saw was a lucky accident. I know, it’s happened to me twice in 50 years it is that rare and when it did, everyone thought I was some God from another planet. It you don’t believe that, then go out and actually do it, then you will see. I was more astonished to see this occur than they were. This is what you saw sir, which was a once in a life time fluke lucky shot, yes you were amazed by it. Anything you tell me you saw Norm make, I sir believe it. He was the best of his era. All of us, now and then, get lucky and do something like this and then talk about it for years.
Did Norm invent it, no; others got lucky and did those decades before him. Sorry, please I did not mean to dispute your word or what you saw, but sometimes what we see, we do not fully understand, especially when it comes to trick shots. There is a lot going on and they happen so fast. The same thing happens in car accidents, 10 people can see the crash, talk to all 10 the next day and you get 10 separate versions of it. The mind remembers what it thinks it saw, not always what it actually saw. Ask any cop or lawyer and they will tell you this is true.
I have nothing but the highest level of respect and admiration for the great Norm the Farmer Weber; he was one of the greats of his time. He is a friend, I admire him. Go into my web site under www.fastlarrypool.com tabs at the left side, open the tab; tables and cues, then scroll down and again on the left are a quote from Norm. Left click the under line and it opens to show his picture, door poster and some nice things he said about me and my game.
This is a jump shot, at the turn of the century on a billiard table they would shoot a CB into a red, ramp up and over a top hat, no pot, no billiard or carom and it would bring the house down.
Today that would pull a yawn at best. I put Max the Wonder Dog on a pool table and I do the same shot. Max is 135 lbs, he is big and he has a gut bigger than mine. That big boy does love to eat and it shows. It’s one hell of a fine jump to clear his big carcass. The cue ball goes down table and pots a 9 ball after jumping over the dog. Max hates this shot, it scares the hell out of him, and he know how bad I am at this. I make him close his eyes when I shoot or I blind fold him, what he does not see coming helps him get through it. The ball goes over his gut not his head, so if I do miss, no damage done, don’t be calling the Humane Society on me, they about shut down Ringling Bros on this stuff. Mike Massey shoots a ball through the legs of his little shitzu, that dog is really terrified, he shakes like a leaf and Mike never misses.
I have a picture on my studio wall of the great Billiard Japanese champion who gave Willie Hoppe fits from 1928, Yamada. He has a closed loop bridge on the rail, is jacked up, shoots into a ramp ball, CB flies up into the air, hits ball sitting on top of a big beer bottle the size of a whiskey fifth, knocks ball off bottle, applause please. That’s the Weber shot you saw, it’s been around since the 20’s, and we call it the bottle shot. Standing next to Yamada in the picture are the two Katsura sisters, Masako and Noriko who would both become world famous. The bottle shot became their signature shot.
The shot spread to Europe and the world champion Isrido Ribas of Spain picked it up as did Charlie Peterson in the USA in the 30’s.
In the 50’s The Great Gargani of Argentina made is famous in South America on a Billiard table and Norm Weber and others moved it to a pool table in the USA.
The shot then began to upgrade, you would try and knock off the top ball from the bottle and pot it in a corner, and sometimes you did this.
Weenie Beenie did this and did an in off of the cue ball on TV, probably again got lucky by accident, but a new shot was born once more. It was a 2in2 pot.
Dozens of world class people were shooting this shot all over the world now. Some time around the early 70’s, somebody, we don’t know who got the bright idea to set two balls on top of the bottle balancing two on top of each other. He was obviously trying to ramp up and knock off the top ball and leave the bottom one on the bottle. He missed, came up short hitting the bottom ball by accident and was astonished to see the bottom ball fly out and the top ball fall and balance on the bottle cap. It’s the pull the table cloth real fast from under all the dishes on the table trick. The modern 2 ball bottle shot was born. It was probably Japanese who did this.
The bottle thing has always been a Japanese trick, very popular there. Kimura of Japan and me both invented the 3 ball bottle shot at the same exact time, you knock out the bottom two balls and the top ball falls. That was around 91, 92. We decided to co share that world record.
In 93 I was the first person to make the 4 ball bottle shot and got in Ripley’s world wide for that accomplishment. This was a world record. The shot was seen in 275 newspapers on 5 continents, in 19 languages and read by 100,000,000 people. In 2000 I performed the shot live on prime time TV to an audience of 170 million people on the premier of the new Ripleys TV show. My set up of the shot, stacking and balancing of the 4 balls and execution of it took one minute and 3 seconds and it went down on the first snap. By the time the multiple re runs and airing of the show occurred world wide, 500,000,000 people saw my shot. Some say this was the greatest shot hit of all time, or one of the top 5 ever.
I was first to hit the 5 ball bottle shot, top ball falls again to stick. Another world record.
I taught my student and National Amateur trick shot champion Willie Smith to do this and Willie recently set the new world record making a 6 ball bottle shot, knocking out the bottom 5 balls and the top 6th ball fell to balance on the bottle top. Any body up for going for 7?
The bottle shot is also my signature shot. That is the history of the shot; I thank you for your time and review of it. I only do the 2 ball shot in my show and it is my favorite shot I do. Every now and then I get talked into doing the 4 ball shot. The only other person who’s made that shot other than me since 93 is Willie and I taught him the secret of the shot. There is a inside secret to many of these world class shots.
May God bless and peace be with you. May the wind be always on your back and all 9 balls fall. VENI VIDI VICI, OMNIA VINCIT AMOR. Latin for “I came, I saw, I conquered, love conquerors all.
“Fast Larry” Guninger
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King Cueball said:Rick dont worry he is not going anywhere! I heard that song and dance before lol "im going to the other website where they love me boo hoo
What part of F off do you not comprehend bozo??????????????????????????/
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Let it go larry just let it go.
fast larry
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out of here for a while
Rickw
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Larry,
I think you have a lot to offer. I have learned a lot from you. That three ball drill that you taught us was great! I just think you have a hard time getting your message across without insulting people. I don't doubt that you have a lot of talent in pool, you just need to try to refrain from calling everyone shit-for-brains and blowing your own horn so loudly. I really wish you would stick around and continue to provide us with good solid pool info. I also love it when you tell some of the stories that happened in the past.
This is Fast, Rick, have I ever insulted you, have I ever called you she yet for brains, I have only done that to the 16 bozo's that did that to me first. I don't just target some innocent person and go off on them. There are 5000 people on these boards and so far I have only insulted 17, It will take me years to get to the rest of them.
Rick, I am out of here, you want a story, go to cue ball, he has plenty of them, he can also teach you and answer your questions, he knows everything, ask him, I know nothing. Nobodies learned a thing from me in 500 posts. Good Bye for a while, I have DVD's to make. I do not have time for this BS. Fast Larry
Rickw
Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003
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Larry,
I think you have a lot to offer. I have learned a lot from you. That three ball drill that you taught us was great! I just think you have a hard time getting your message across without insulting people. I don't doubt that you have a lot of talent in pool, you just need to try to refrain from calling everyone shit-for-brains and blowing your own horn so loudly. I really wish you would stick around and continue to provide us with good solid pool info. I also love it when you tell some of the stories that happened in the past.
This is Fast, Rick, have I ever insulted you, have I ever called you she yet for brains, I have only done that to the 16 bozo's that did that to me first. I don't just target some innocent person and go off on them. There are 5000 people on these boards and so far I have only insulted 17, It will take me years to get to the rest of them.
Rick, I am out of here, you want a story, go to cue ball, he has plenty of them, he can also teach you and answer your questions, he knows everything, ask him, I know nothing. Nobodies learned a thing from me in 500 posts. Good Bye for a while, I have DVD's to make. I do not have time for this BS.
Fast Larry
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Let it go larry just let it go, we have heard that before
Semantics and such...
Larry,
You may profess yourself to be a "professional" by profession. But, I profess you are hardly "professional" by terms of character. Professional, I think not. Repetitive? Grossly so. And, to address your claims that the man in the video isn't making a shot...
I am sure that if he just took ten extra seconds to line up three balls, instead of two, and make sure they were in line with a pocket, that he could make a "shot"--by your definition. Listening to people who know him, he is obviously consistent with his performance of his shot. You just posted a reply to "Jerry," in which somebody made a shot WITHOUT POCKETING AN OBJECT BALL. What makes Dragan's SHOT any different?
And how is it possible to have sold DVDs to 6,000 people, if the DVDs don't even exist, "yet." I even question the existence of the "6,000" people
. Stay unoriginal, bitter, caustic, dim-witted, close-minded, irrelevant, repetetive, and, most importantly, unprofessional!
Larry,
You may profess yourself to be a "professional" by profession. But, I profess you are hardly "professional" by terms of character. Professional, I think not. Repetitive? Grossly so. And, to address your claims that the man in the video isn't making a shot...
I am sure that if he just took ten extra seconds to line up three balls, instead of two, and make sure they were in line with a pocket, that he could make a "shot"--by your definition. Listening to people who know him, he is obviously consistent with his performance of his shot. You just posted a reply to "Jerry," in which somebody made a shot WITHOUT POCKETING AN OBJECT BALL. What makes Dragan's SHOT any different?
And how is it possible to have sold DVDs to 6,000 people, if the DVDs don't even exist, "yet." I even question the existence of the "6,000" people
. Stay unoriginal, bitter, caustic, dim-witted, close-minded, irrelevant, repetetive, and, most importantly, unprofessional!fast larry
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King Cueball said:
Patience A hole, I am going, I just need to clean up some loose ends first, I know you can't wait or believe it. believe it. F you....
fast larry
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ajcu612 said:Larry,
You may profess yourself to be a "professional" by profession. But, I profess you are hardly "professional" by terms of character. Professional, I think not. Repetitive? Grossly so. And, to address your claims that the man in the video isn't making a shot...
I am sure that if he just took ten extra seconds to line up three balls, instead of two, and make sure they were in line with a pocket, that he could make a "shot"--by your definition. Listening to people who know him, he is obviously consistent with his performance of his shot. You just posted a reply to "Jerry," in which somebody made a shot WITHOUT POCKETING AN OBJECT BALL. What makes Dragan's SHOT any different?
And how is it possible to have sold DVDs to 6,000 people, if the DVDs don't even exist, "yet." I even question the existence of the "6,000" people
Ok bozo, this is fast. You are so dumb, every point, every statment you make here is dead ass wrong.
The kraut in the video did not make a shot, did you see a ball pot, no, that is not a shot, period.
You say he could have, how do you know that. My Daddie used to say if the dog had not stopped to take a leak he might have caught the rabbit. You saw a kid who did not have a clue what he was doing, he stole my shot and screwed it up which really pissed me off.
Who said I sold 6000 DVD's, you said that. Here is what I said, may I cut and paste.
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Originally Posted by Buddha Jones
Hey Larry, don't forget to add that to your stinking video that no one is going to buy.
You aint never gonna buy it because you ain't got the twenty bucks in your pocket. Even if you did your too stupid to appreciate what you would see. Stick to the funny papers, they are free, you can afford them as well.
I have never even advertised this tape and I have now sold 6,000 of them at $20 a pop by word of mouth
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I said tape, a tape, is on a reel, that is not a DVD moron. I sold 6,000 VHS tapes. So far I have not sold a single DVD, I have yet to complete that project.
You were 100% dead ass wrong on every thing you said. Then your final doozie:
Stay unoriginal, bitter, caustic, dim-witted, close-minded, irrelevant, repetetive, and, most importantly, unprofessional
Like I already pointed out, "This is a jump shot, at the turn of the century on a billiard table they would shoot a CB into a red, ramp up and over a top hat, no pot, no billiard or carom and it would bring the house down." There was no pot in that example, yet you still consider it a "shot." By the way, that is quoted directly from one of your posts that you wrote, unless you had your "secretary" do it. Go study my posts some more. You might actually be able to understand them for what they're meant to be--an eye-opener. You can't even leave the board. It's just like everything else you talk about--just talk!
Like my post was titled, "Semantics and such..." I was obviously referring to your "VHS/DVD-in-the-making." What makes this DVD project different than the VHS project? Judging by context, they are the same project--only in different formats. We could argue semantics for days. You question the validity of the other posters on here who will vouch for the abilities of that guy, yet you want us to accept your words with open armsfast larry said:
Like I already pointed out, "This is a jump shot, at the turn of the century on a billiard table they would shoot a CB into a red, ramp up and over a top hat, no pot, no billiard or carom and it would bring the house down." There was no pot in that example, yet you still consider it a "shot." By the way, that is quoted directly from one of your posts that you wrote, unless you had your "secretary" do it. Go study my posts some more. You might actually be able to understand them for what they're meant to be--an eye-opener. You can't even leave the board. It's just like everything else you talk about--just talk!fast larry
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ajcu612 said:Like my post was titled, "Semantics and such..." I was obviously referring to your "VHS/DVD-in-the-making." What makes this DVD project different than the VHS project? Judging by context, they are the same project--only in different formats. We could argue semantics for days. You question the validity of the other posters on here who will vouch for the abilities of that guy, yet you want us to accept your words with open arms
My DVD's will be light years ahead in quality of production over what I put out in VHS. My VHS tapes have amazing shots on them, but the quality of the film is awful, so bad I offer every one who ever bought one of those turkeys to turn it in on a half priced DVD just to say I am sorry for selling you such a piece of crap. I am filming with two media digital cameras, in a 5 million dollar room, gold crown 4's, boom mic, media lighting, I never had that before behind me, I do now.
Have you ever seen a billiard table, there are no pockets, so you cant pot a ball. My point was, the original shot, only featured just the jump over the hat, then, that amazed people. They got by with that. Then, that was the state of the art shot. later the guy had to jump off the red, go over the hat and down table run into another white for the carom and point. In time, people see you keep doing the same old shot, they yawn, you have to do more. The shot upgraded little by little gradually getting harder in time, that was the point I was trying to teach.
Artistic is like all other spots, as time goes on, the skill level of the sport keeps rising. What we were doint in the 50's is nothing compared to what my Magnificent 16 are now doing on our new world tour, which is shooting nothing but DF11's, the worlds hardest most impossible shots to determine who is the Big Cahuna, pool's greatest player.
The Magnificent 16, pools top elite 16 greatest artistis, shoot the show of shows, pool's ultimate test of skill, one becomes King Kong, the high priest of artistic pool in the world. He will be called the Grand Master of the Grand Masters. Smart money is on Mike.
You said and I quote: You can't even leave the board. It's just like everything else you talk about--just talk!
May I refer you to the 1961 movie, the Hustler, a very drunk Fast Eddy says to Minnesota Fats, you can't walk out of here. Fat's said to Eddy, sure I can, watch me....
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Hello Pool-friends,
Im a good buddy of this Jump-boy !!
I know, thats no fake or joke !!
Its reality !!
"Dragan" (the Name of the Jump-boy) show this jump everybody, on evry table he want !!!
realy !!
Don't think it is a lie !!
Ask the German National Pool Coach "Andreas Huber" !!
( www.bsv-dachau.de)
He see the jump more then one time !!
sincerly
sven
Dear Sven, Entschuldingung, Bitte:
This is Fast, I did not say this shot was a lie, I was doing this shot with a regular playing cue, 58” l9ozs when Dragon was crapping his dippers in his crib, so he can jump a cue ball straight up in the air, big friggen deal, this shot is not shi zone. He is even using a jump cue. Have him use a regular playing cue, put a dollar bill between the two balls, no space between them, make the jump over the ball and the bill without touching either one, pot a ball in the corner pocket and draw back out safely. When he does that, he then just duplicated my shot and maybe for the first time he actually makes a real trick shot. Send me a video of that, and then he impressed me. Before he goes jumping out on the world stage, he should first find out who’s out there and what they are doing.
He stole my shot, mucked it up, did half of it only, did not do the real hard part of it and now I am supposed to fall down or worship this kid who stumbles into something he knows nothing about, I do not think so. I try and explain this to you and you all get pissed.
Send him to me, I will train him how to make a shot and pot a ball, right now, he does not have a clue what he is doing. $500 a day us.
That has made you all mad, the truth does sting like a bitch boys. He should refrain from putting any more crap like that up on the internet until he know how to frame a shot and complete a shot. What I saw was a joke, I gave it one yawn, and it put me to sleep. It impressed a lot of people on the board simply because they know very little about trick shots or what is possible or what has been done in the past. It is very easy to impress them. They see something cool, they like it. This is cool; it did impress all of them.
I am a Billiards Expert, recognized by Mike Shamos as one of 20 in the world, also stated as such in the Billiards Digest magazine as such in 1995. As an expert, it is not easy to impress me, I have seen everything. What you showed me is not Shi zone, go back and try again, try and come up with something that does impress me, then and only then will I give you credit and praise. I don’t praise shots found by accident that serve no purpose or that do nothing.
This got by the board, it did not get by me.
My problem is this. Try and see it from my viewpoint. This is my country, my board, my shot; I am a world champion in this. You come into my world, post on my board, steal my shot, I point that out and the friggen board supports a foreign guy nobody has ever heard of before. Your resident expert you all turn your back on. You are now giving me a hard time because I pointed out to you, what you saw, was not shi zone. Is that what you are all mad at? Why you are not pissed off at this guy for stealing my shot and not giving me credit for it, that is the code we live by. You come into my world, you live by our codes.
When I came up, I did the same thing as Dragon jump boy, I began to invent shots. I would send them in to Bob Byrne, he would send them back, yawn, bad bad. I kept sending them to him, they would come back, sorry Larry, professor McCleery invented the same shot as you a century before you, try again. I did not steal the guys shot, I just was on the same path of discover he was and making the same finds he did a century before me. So I stayed on that same path figuring he did not take it to the end and I was right, he did not. Byrne rejected my first 77 shots sent to him. I reject this kids first shot and you all go ape. Wait till I reject 77 more before you get on my ass here please. Am I being hard on him, was Byrne hard on me?
On my 78th shot to Bob, he paid attention, he liked it and it was published in his column in Billiards digest, the 4 rail bank rolling flying wing shot. I got seen, that was my first big break, later, hundreds more of my shots would be published all over the world in every pool magazine on earth. The first one is always the one you do remember. Thank you Bob. I have now been seen doing trick shots or read about by 2 billion people or 2/’6ths of the planet. Only two players have achieved that level of penetration, Mike Massey and Me, both trick shot artists. On Bob Byrnes next to last book, he put me in there in 11 different places. Bob saw a lot of my work and he only paid attention to the shots that deserved attention. Bob showed the world a lot of what I did, which was invent 850 shots, more than all of my competitors combined and that was done during a 10 year span of time. Bob put three of my shots in the Accustats greatest shots of the 1990’s; I had more shots featured than any other player in that decade.
Today that shot, FL 78 is in many of the top performers shows and was in the World Championship tournament in the late 90’s.
My point is Dragon, keep working, keep coming up with shots, when you do find a good one, that impresses me, I will tell you and then help you with it. Don’t send me crap like this and then get your boys on my butt because I tell you its crap. Crap is crap, tut mir leid…
Any shot you do, for it to be a shot, you must pot a ball, that is rule one. Who am I to teach you these things? I am the founder of the world’s trick shot tournament. I wrote this first rule book on the sport, I designed the first world trick shot book. I am on the world trick shot committee today that designs the shots and does the world tour planning. I currently sit on the board of directors of the IAPA, which is the organization that now runs the world artistic trick shot tournament. I am now the promoter and tour manager of the Fantasy Big Kahuna tour, where the top 16 artistic players on Earth now play for me in world wide tour events which are now sanctioned by the IAPA, APD, and BCA AND WPA.
Dragon, I know what a good shot looks like; I know what a bad one looks like.
So you will know, 2 of the top ranked players on this world wide tour are now ranked in the top 8 of the super elite of elite of the Artistic world, two are Germans, one is a pole, they are Ralph Eckert, me, Fast Larry, German American and Bogdon Wolsowski, Polish. All Deustchlanders should be very proud of this.
Lukasz Szywala another pole is also in the top 10 ranked players. Other Europeans in my top 10 tour are Stefano Pelinga. The rest of those players are Mike Massey, Charles Darling, Tom Rossman, USA, Sebastian Guimelli, South America, Nick Nikolaidis of Quebec and Steve Lillis of the USA.
Am I in a position to give you an honest opinion of your shot, yes I think I am? Learn how to make a trick shot and pot a ball. That is my advice I give to you sir. When you do, we pay attention to you. There is a European trick shot championship now going on, to be a qualifier for entry into our higher level events, did the dragon enter this? No. All of the top Europeans I just listed are coming to the USA to play me, Tom and Mike in the March Hartford, Ct Open and at the Allen Hopkins Expo Master tourney. I wonder why I don’t see the dragon on that list. He should get with Ralph Eckert and get trained by him, then enter world events and get known that way, not by some dumb failed dumkolf jump shot.
We have 5 fine jump shots in each event. If you win that discipline of shots, you get a medal from us, we will help him to advance and join the ranks of the great ones now on tour. He could gain recognition just by winning the jump shot section of the events. Send your boy to us, we will teach him to be one of us and a future champion.
My family is from where dragon lives. My proper family name is Grindinger. That is my deustcher name; Guninger is just a stage name I made up. Go into my web site, to learn more about Bob Byrne, go to www.fastlarrypool.com. On the left side open the tab trick shots, scroll down to the right side where there is a quote from Byrne, left click the underline and his picture and quotes appear.
Go to the left side again and open the tab tables and cues, on the left side is a quote from Norm Weber, click the under line and his picture, door poster comes up.
Left side, open picture gallery, on the right side, scroll down, there is a quote by The German champion Ralph Eckert, left click it to open and see his picture also.
I thank you for your time,
Herr Grindinger
Auf Wiedersehen
Im a good buddy of this Jump-boy !!
I know, thats no fake or joke !!
Its reality !!
"Dragan" (the Name of the Jump-boy) show this jump everybody, on evry table he want !!!
realy !!
Don't think it is a lie !!
Ask the German National Pool Coach "Andreas Huber" !!
( www.bsv-dachau.de)
He see the jump more then one time !!
sincerly
sven
Dear Sven, Entschuldingung, Bitte:
This is Fast, I did not say this shot was a lie, I was doing this shot with a regular playing cue, 58” l9ozs when Dragon was crapping his dippers in his crib, so he can jump a cue ball straight up in the air, big friggen deal, this shot is not shi zone. He is even using a jump cue. Have him use a regular playing cue, put a dollar bill between the two balls, no space between them, make the jump over the ball and the bill without touching either one, pot a ball in the corner pocket and draw back out safely. When he does that, he then just duplicated my shot and maybe for the first time he actually makes a real trick shot. Send me a video of that, and then he impressed me. Before he goes jumping out on the world stage, he should first find out who’s out there and what they are doing.
He stole my shot, mucked it up, did half of it only, did not do the real hard part of it and now I am supposed to fall down or worship this kid who stumbles into something he knows nothing about, I do not think so. I try and explain this to you and you all get pissed.
Send him to me, I will train him how to make a shot and pot a ball, right now, he does not have a clue what he is doing. $500 a day us.
That has made you all mad, the truth does sting like a bitch boys. He should refrain from putting any more crap like that up on the internet until he know how to frame a shot and complete a shot. What I saw was a joke, I gave it one yawn, and it put me to sleep. It impressed a lot of people on the board simply because they know very little about trick shots or what is possible or what has been done in the past. It is very easy to impress them. They see something cool, they like it. This is cool; it did impress all of them.
I am a Billiards Expert, recognized by Mike Shamos as one of 20 in the world, also stated as such in the Billiards Digest magazine as such in 1995. As an expert, it is not easy to impress me, I have seen everything. What you showed me is not Shi zone, go back and try again, try and come up with something that does impress me, then and only then will I give you credit and praise. I don’t praise shots found by accident that serve no purpose or that do nothing.
This got by the board, it did not get by me.
My problem is this. Try and see it from my viewpoint. This is my country, my board, my shot; I am a world champion in this. You come into my world, post on my board, steal my shot, I point that out and the friggen board supports a foreign guy nobody has ever heard of before. Your resident expert you all turn your back on. You are now giving me a hard time because I pointed out to you, what you saw, was not shi zone. Is that what you are all mad at? Why you are not pissed off at this guy for stealing my shot and not giving me credit for it, that is the code we live by. You come into my world, you live by our codes.
When I came up, I did the same thing as Dragon jump boy, I began to invent shots. I would send them in to Bob Byrne, he would send them back, yawn, bad bad. I kept sending them to him, they would come back, sorry Larry, professor McCleery invented the same shot as you a century before you, try again. I did not steal the guys shot, I just was on the same path of discover he was and making the same finds he did a century before me. So I stayed on that same path figuring he did not take it to the end and I was right, he did not. Byrne rejected my first 77 shots sent to him. I reject this kids first shot and you all go ape. Wait till I reject 77 more before you get on my ass here please. Am I being hard on him, was Byrne hard on me?
On my 78th shot to Bob, he paid attention, he liked it and it was published in his column in Billiards digest, the 4 rail bank rolling flying wing shot. I got seen, that was my first big break, later, hundreds more of my shots would be published all over the world in every pool magazine on earth. The first one is always the one you do remember. Thank you Bob. I have now been seen doing trick shots or read about by 2 billion people or 2/’6ths of the planet. Only two players have achieved that level of penetration, Mike Massey and Me, both trick shot artists. On Bob Byrnes next to last book, he put me in there in 11 different places. Bob saw a lot of my work and he only paid attention to the shots that deserved attention. Bob showed the world a lot of what I did, which was invent 850 shots, more than all of my competitors combined and that was done during a 10 year span of time. Bob put three of my shots in the Accustats greatest shots of the 1990’s; I had more shots featured than any other player in that decade.
Today that shot, FL 78 is in many of the top performers shows and was in the World Championship tournament in the late 90’s.
My point is Dragon, keep working, keep coming up with shots, when you do find a good one, that impresses me, I will tell you and then help you with it. Don’t send me crap like this and then get your boys on my butt because I tell you its crap. Crap is crap, tut mir leid…
Any shot you do, for it to be a shot, you must pot a ball, that is rule one. Who am I to teach you these things? I am the founder of the world’s trick shot tournament. I wrote this first rule book on the sport, I designed the first world trick shot book. I am on the world trick shot committee today that designs the shots and does the world tour planning. I currently sit on the board of directors of the IAPA, which is the organization that now runs the world artistic trick shot tournament. I am now the promoter and tour manager of the Fantasy Big Kahuna tour, where the top 16 artistic players on Earth now play for me in world wide tour events which are now sanctioned by the IAPA, APD, and BCA AND WPA.
Dragon, I know what a good shot looks like; I know what a bad one looks like.
So you will know, 2 of the top ranked players on this world wide tour are now ranked in the top 8 of the super elite of elite of the Artistic world, two are Germans, one is a pole, they are Ralph Eckert, me, Fast Larry, German American and Bogdon Wolsowski, Polish. All Deustchlanders should be very proud of this.
Lukasz Szywala another pole is also in the top 10 ranked players. Other Europeans in my top 10 tour are Stefano Pelinga. The rest of those players are Mike Massey, Charles Darling, Tom Rossman, USA, Sebastian Guimelli, South America, Nick Nikolaidis of Quebec and Steve Lillis of the USA.
Am I in a position to give you an honest opinion of your shot, yes I think I am? Learn how to make a trick shot and pot a ball. That is my advice I give to you sir. When you do, we pay attention to you. There is a European trick shot championship now going on, to be a qualifier for entry into our higher level events, did the dragon enter this? No. All of the top Europeans I just listed are coming to the USA to play me, Tom and Mike in the March Hartford, Ct Open and at the Allen Hopkins Expo Master tourney. I wonder why I don’t see the dragon on that list. He should get with Ralph Eckert and get trained by him, then enter world events and get known that way, not by some dumb failed dumkolf jump shot.
We have 5 fine jump shots in each event. If you win that discipline of shots, you get a medal from us, we will help him to advance and join the ranks of the great ones now on tour. He could gain recognition just by winning the jump shot section of the events. Send your boy to us, we will teach him to be one of us and a future champion.
My family is from where dragon lives. My proper family name is Grindinger. That is my deustcher name; Guninger is just a stage name I made up. Go into my web site, to learn more about Bob Byrne, go to www.fastlarrypool.com. On the left side open the tab trick shots, scroll down to the right side where there is a quote from Byrne, left click the underline and his picture and quotes appear.
Go to the left side again and open the tab tables and cues, on the left side is a quote from Norm Weber, click the under line and his picture, door poster comes up.
Left side, open picture gallery, on the right side, scroll down, there is a quote by The German champion Ralph Eckert, left click it to open and see his picture also.
I thank you for your time,
Herr Grindinger
Auf Wiedersehen
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A last two quote on this thread...
#41 Yesterday, 08:35 AM
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Location: California
Posts: 101
All of you people talking crap to larry and talking even more crap when he responds are asses. Get a life, get your own argument, hell, go play some pool.
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Fast Larry's final quote on the thread...
May I refer you to the 1961 movie, the Hustler, a very drunk Fast Eddy says to Minnesota Fats, you can't walk out of here. Fat's said to Eddy, sure I can, watch me....
A last two quote on this thread...
#41 Yesterday, 08:35 AM
LastTwo
Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: California
Posts: 101
All of you people talking crap to larry and talking even more crap when he responds are asses. Get a life, get your own argument, hell, go play some pool.
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I'd rather not write on my monitor.
Fast Larry's final quote on the thread...
May I refer you to the 1961 movie, the Hustler, a very drunk Fast Eddy says to Minnesota Fats, you can't walk out of here. Fat's said to Eddy, sure I can, watch me....
The bottom line is if Fast Larry was more man and less myth he would have apologized for his careless and senseless remarks, retrackted his racial statements, and given props to the shotmaker in the video. I'm not moved one way or the other if he leaves this forum cuz he was here before I was, and I am sure there are more like him no matter where you go but an attitude change would be nice. I thought this was a friendly forum where players, makers and promoters can talk about their sport and not have to deal with the arogance of those thinking they are holier than thou.
to fast larry
Do not need your expert opinion concerning what i did not see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have a lot of knowledge and memories of many events. But i believe they all come from film and the written word.
I started playing pool in 1953 and belueve me i never heard your name or Byrnes name until recently.
Please do not insult my intelligence or memory with your pathetic explanations and observances.
You are without a doubt a pathological liar.
You would never talk to anyone the way you do if you had a scintilla of the talent you propose to have.
Artistic pool? Same as rap music! You can't play the game so you try to invent some off the wall crap no player would be interested in.
I think i could give you the7. I know i could give you a ball and the break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Titanic Jerry
Do not need your expert opinion concerning what i did not see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have a lot of knowledge and memories of many events. But i believe they all come from film and the written word.
I started playing pool in 1953 and belueve me i never heard your name or Byrnes name until recently.
Please do not insult my intelligence or memory with your pathetic explanations and observances.
You are without a doubt a pathological liar.
You would never talk to anyone the way you do if you had a scintilla of the talent you propose to have.
Artistic pool? Same as rap music! You can't play the game so you try to invent some off the wall crap no player would be interested in.
I think i could give you the7. I know i could give you a ball and the break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Titanic Jerry
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King Cueball
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Larry how could he have stolen your shot? He like alot of people on this board never heard of you before. I dont know 3 people who follow trick-shots. I think you just got mad because someone was getting some respect that you were not getting and that kills you.
