Watching the best in the world

[CJ Wiley]

The Two Foul game is also not the answer, it also has some flaws

When I'm talking about not liking "one foul," it's obviously not because I don't play it well, I was in the top 5 in the world at the game for many, many years. I finished in the top 9 in EVERY pro tournament at one point (ALL ONE FOUL), I'll post a picture that verifies this (so no one thinks I'm just talking - I actually have the "papers to prove it").

For some reason people like to jump to the conclusion that I'm trying to give myself an advantage, this if far from the truth. My "one foul game" is just as good as Efren and Bustmeante's (we've all played and gambled many times playing one foul, they wouldn't have dreamed of playing me two foul, especially an "ahead set")

The Two Foul game is also not the answer, it also has some flaws (although it's 10 times better than one foul for pro play), especially if televised. You can't televise one foul OR two foul for various (different) reasons.....we had to address and fix this issue.

What I did was merge one foul, BANK POOL, two foul, and aspects of eight ball and one pocket. This still wouldn't have changed much if I didn't go one step further, and tailor make the game for TV AND to match a certain billion dollar industry here in Texas.

Im surprised to hear you say the game needs a over hall, I dont understand that coming from you. I watched you play many times at your place on Gaston in Dallas. I have watched gamble in one foul and run out from every where, the one foul didn't seem to effect you when you played the game right.

I think the game needs order, on the Pro level, it needs more money and lots more tournaments so if a guy gets beat by the rolls one month he can roll the dice next month. A tournament every week like bowling or every month like golf and no one would care about two foul or one foul.

 

[Jdale]

It frustrating enough when amateurs do this but watching pros just ruins viewing for me. SAFE SAFE SAFE. I watched Johnny Archer take the easy way out way to many times. Take lucky rolls out of the game. Take bad rolls out of the game. Players comes up short or long on position and plays safe. Player doesnt want to take a semi tough shout, play safe. Safe should only be part of the game when necessary. Like you can't get position on the next shot. Someone leaves you a tough bank. I see long banks on the 9 ball turn into safes. This isnt one pocket where you duck and weave for hours. The game needs to be offensive. How do you know how good someone is when all they do is play safes and many times because they screwed up on position. I get it, its about winning but do viewers really like watching this and respect this type of play.

I agree with CJ & John Brumback
Learning to make great shots and play great position drew me to pool almost 60 yrs ago and it keeps me playing the game today. Playing runout pool is what it's all about. Playing safeties to get ball in hand just to play another safety looking for a three foul win, that's whats wrong with modern pool, IMHO.

Dale

 

[CJ Wiley]

there will be no rewards for playing safe, so cowardly play will not be rewarded.

I know you understand, John, and I agree, how on earth can anyone watch "one foul," it's a silly game. The nature of the game is to "duck, kick and play safe," so it has no chance to be entertaining.

You will absolutely love this new game we came up with, JB, it has the strategy of one pocket, the creativity of bank pool, and the best aspects of both "one foul" and "two foul" - there will be no rewards for playing safe, so cowardly play will not be rewarded.

Bank On, and let the game be your teacher.

CJ,I agree with you 100%. If you or anyone could get people to play 2 foul for a few hours or (maybe few days),they would see that it's the best and most exciting way to play AND WATCH rotation games. But until then......good luck buddy I would rather watch the ol paint dry than to watch one foul,ball in hand. I just don't think there is any way to explain how good 2 foul is with words. I'm like you,1 foul ruined 9ball,. Like you've said before,the 2 way shots are long gone and so is the spot shot and maybe a lot of exciting bank shots:thumbup: John B.

 

[Floppage]

I've posted this before but...

 

[ddadams]

Can you, yourself, not play safe?

Just curious.

 

[CJ Wiley]

Regarding "Two Foul Rules" the safeties are much more difficult and I'll tell you why

The safeties required in one foul are not complicated, they are actually easy to execute, and you can just leave distance and be okay.

Regarding "Two Foul Rules" the safeties are much more difficult and I'll tell you why.

When you hook your opponent, the goal is to leave the object ball CLOSE to a pocket so they are limited in how they can roll out. The closer you leave the ball to the pocket, obviously the more important it is it "hook" you opponent. This sets up a very interesting version of pool that has unlimited combinations and strategies.

Can you, yourself, not play safe?

Just curious.

 

[HawaiianEye]

Can you, yourself, not play safe?

Just curious.

Everybody can play safes...maybe not effective safes, but "safes" none the less. All it takes to play a "safe" is to MISS a shot...intentionally or unintentionally.

I don't know about anybody else, but way back when I learned to play the emphasis was on MAKING shots FIRST, and playing safe if you COULDN'T. It was used as a "last resort"...not as a tactic that people did over and over and over because they were "afraid" of making a mistake on a shot that was a little "iffy". The 2-Foul rules gave you a bit of "insurance" which ENCOURAGED "go for it" offensive playing..

To me, playing the number of safes in a game like they do today is like watching a football game where they "fall down" on the ball every other play rather than try something a bit more offensive that keeps the crowd excited.

 

[CJ Wiley]

I will start from this position (not being able to make an attempt at a pocket)

You are exactly right, or baseball when they're bunting all the time. Pool was never, never, never, never designed with one foul rules in mind. These rules came in to being to speed up play and level the playing field to get more participants. This is fine and dandy, but one more thing - THEY WERE NOT INTENDED FOR PROS.....they were designed by John McChesney, Randy G and Robin A. and they did a tremendous job. However they were not involved in professional pool, and still to this day aren't (that I know of anyway, please, Robin, and Randy, correct me if I'm wrong).

The only reason I don't like one foul is because I can not use but 10% of my knowledge and still beat anyone in the world a tournament match........anyone see the issue??

How do I know they weren't intended for professional play? Because I was partners with John and he flat out told me. At that time he ran the McDermott Tour, which was not a pro tour, John didn't want to run a Pro tour, and I don't blame him one bit. Neither do I.

I will sum it up like this.

Put the 7, 8 and 9 on the table, and let me see half of the 7 ball. I will start from this position (not being able to make an attempt at a pocket) and play anyone in the world.

Then, after I win, I'll start out "hooked" every shot and play them even too....and they still can't win. This is how easy it is to win by playing safe, you can play bad shape on the 7, 8 or 9 and still win every time.......how can anyone think this is good for pros?

Everybody can play safes...maybe not effective safes, but "safes" none the less. All it takes to play a "safe" is to MISS a shot...intentionally or unintentionally.

I don't know about anybody else, but way back when I learned to play the emphasis was on MAKING shots FIRST, and playing safe if you COULDN'T. It was used as a "last resort"...not as a tactic that people did over and over and over because they were "afraid" of making a mistake on a shot that was a little "iffy". The 2-Foul rules gave you a bit of "insurance" which ENCOURAGED "go for it" offensive playing..

To me, playing the number of safes in a game like they do today is like watching a football game where they "fall down" on the ball every other play rather than try something a bit more offensive that keeps the crowd excited.

 

[Ron Swanson]

There is precisely zero chance a game of pool that rewards safety play will succeed. Zero. People are once again living in a state of selfish denial.

You like great safety battles? Watch snooker. Pool must be about great shot making, that is exciting to the viewer. A sport is sunk the second any fan says "i can do that".