Waxing the cue ball? WTF is Kaci talking about now?

[T411]

As for detecting stuff on the ball, there is equipment that can tell the chemical composition of materials at levels far lower than what would be on the ball. Not cheap, so the ball would likely have to be sent to a lab.

I think a better idea is to have a new cue ball for each rack, and no impromptu cleaning by the players. Cue balls do change some during a match if they aren't cleaned.

I posted this earlier. I by no means an expert but I did some research and I found that something called a Dyne pen test is probably the most practical, affordable, and dependable method. It’s fast, simple, and visual. If legal or high stakes accusations are involved at a tournament setting then send the cue ball to a lab for further confirmation.

Sign of the times when stakes are high look what the poker world does for preventing “cheating.”

 

[Paul_#_]

I think people are pointing their fingers at Filipino players because waxing the ball could be a cultural thing. Everyone has their little nuances and we know pool is very influential. Maybe waxing the cueball is a thing over there.

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Robocop. Starts talking about it ~5m20s.

Notes from listening to Robocop's Facebook video 5:20 to end:
He recalls incident in about year 2000 where a tournament had balls cleaned and the polishing included waxing the balls.
Europeans many years ago dominated pool and used wax a lot. Asian and especially Phillipino players did not but have catched up to the Europeans. Now he heard that everyone uses waxes. Players put it on their gloves or hand or palm.
He made it sound like balls are being waxed and it will continue unless tournament organizers set rules to stop it such as player can hold ball-in-hand only with three fingers. Referee touches balls at other times and not player

For what its worth, Dennis "Robocop" Orcollo Official says there is no cultural thing of waxing in Filipino players. Rather, he claims Europeans beat them to the practice and the Filipino players only catched up to the Europeans.

 

[vincett]

For what its worth, Dennis "Robocop" Orcollo Official says there is no cultural thing of waxing in Filipino players. Rather, he claims Europeans beat them to the practice and the Filipino players only catched up to the Europeans.

Phillipines is a poor country, using Waxes is almost foreign to them. They dont have the purposes to using Waxes because they dont each own a "Car" like the Eu or Us do.

If Phillipinos used anything at all...it would be "Talc Powder" and I have seen them using it while not using Gloves or so...in expensive matches and bets.

 

[T411]

Phillipines is a poor country, using Waxes is almost foreign to them. They dont have the purposes to using Waxes because they dont each own a "Car" like the Eu or Us do.

If Phillipinos used anything at all...it would be "Talc Powder" and I have seen them using it while not using Gloves or so...in expensive matches and bets.

That is a bit of an oversimplification to link that directly to the use of talcum powder instead of wax in billiards because the country is poor. Yes the PI is relatively poor but not so poor that they don’t have access to something as simple as car wax. They in fact do and there are cars in the PI especially in the metropolitan areas. And they are not so poor that if they had a preference for wax it would not be an issue.

 

[sjm]

I'm not saying you are, SJM, but using conditions as an excuse for poor performance or as a justification for modifying equipment is so tired. If pool players had their druthers, the equipment, conditions (including temperature & humidity), break rules, etc. would all be identical at every event. I kind of hope that over time the various major events Matchroom is promoting start to have their own identities – similar to what we see in golf for example.

Want to win the World 9 Ball? You better be able to play on a wet table in conditions you absolutely detest.
Want to win the US Open? You better be able to string racks together.
Want to win the UK Open with its tiny corner pockets? You better shoot straight and stay in line because you will rattle that 7 trying to force shape on a tough 8 ball if you’re out of line.

Totally agree. Conditions is never an excuse for poor performance. That said, players should always be notified in advance of what the conditions will be at any upcoming event so they can prepare properly.

I agree 100% that part of being a great player is the ability to adapt to changing conditions and also agree that variety is a good thing.

I think we see most of this the same way.

 

[lfigueroa]

There is no problem with cleaning the CB with whatever.

The problem lies with only *one* player being aware it's been done. In tennis, the serving player will hold up two balls prior to serving to show his opponent the balls are new and will, possibly, affect the serve and return.

It would be very unfair for one player to know the CB was playing more slippery than before. Very unfair.

Lou Figueroa

 

[billiards_watch]

There is no problem with cleaning the CB with whatever.

The problem lies with only *one* player being aware it's been done. In tennis, the serving player will hold up two balls prior to serving to show his opponent the balls are new and will, possibly, affect the serve and return.

It would be very unfair for one player to know the CB was playing more slippery than before. Very unfair.

Lou Figueroa

.....versus putting it in your pocket and cleaning it.

My post is directed at people thinking its totally fine to clean cue ball in one's pocket. I don't know why my opponent has a cue ball in his pants. This fact still remains. It should be allowed.

 

[SBC]

From Johann Chua

I stayed silent on all these baseless allegations circulating thru social media not because it's true, but since the tournament is still on-going, most of my friends are still competing, and with much respect to Matchroom Pool, I decided to wait for the conclusion of this tournament. While I kept my silence, my legal team secured all evidences, screenshots, pages and account information of all the people who blatantly spread false and defamatory statements against me. I will not allow anyone to malign my name and reputation without solid proof or evidence. I don't need to explain myself to anyone. It's not my thing and my followers know that. I will all take this legally. I am welcome for any kind of investigation, should there be any. This will be the last time I'll be posting here in social media regarding this matter. My lawyers will deal with this matter in court, both in the US and in the Philippines. I know who you guys are, see you in court.

PS: These people are attacking me in social media trying to tarnish my name. It's not true that I am under watch during the tournament like most of these allegations say. I confirmed it with Matchroom. One of the matchroom organizers confirmed that none of these 20+ players reported against me as said in this allegations.

What are your damages?

The legal threat shit is Bush league.....just do it and don't tell them.

I like Chua, but im thinking there is some truth in this happening, wheter it was done purposefully or not because even as a wanna be hustler, I can see what the cueball is doing differently.

 

[billiards_watch]

Phillipines is a poor country, using Waxes is almost foreign to them. They dont have the purposes to using Waxes because they dont each own a "Car" like the Eu or Us do.

If Phillipinos used anything at all...it would be "Talc Powder" and I have seen them using it while not using Gloves or so...in expensive matches and bets.

Here are the 5 cities in the Philippines that don't know what car wax is.

 

[vincett]

Here are the 5 cities in the Philippines that don't know what car wax is.

What I meant is that they do know. But to utilize it under the manner of it being this common and practical ? Is not a thing

If any one knows and utilize Automotive Wax or substances, the EU had done it ways before aby Pinoys would.

I hope that have some logics to you

 

[skor]

Wax on Wax off

 

[billiards_watch]

LOL

A lot of these YTers are barely finding out. Hence, the content being made as of late.

 

[MattPoland]

WPA weighs in…

WPA Statement on Ball Waxing During Matches|WPA Pool

wpapool.com

 

[skor]

WPA weighs in…

WPA Statement on Ball Waxing During Matches|WPA Pool

wpapool.com

Great!
Let's move on.
What's the best tip for breaking?

 

[straightline]

Or something that's been nagging at me for a while, what's the best soap for players?

 

[Cornerman]

Does this mean I can no longer use my Aramith ball cleaning liquid? Pretty sure it has some wax in it.

 

[sjm]

WPA weighs in…

WPA Statement on Ball Waxing During Matches|WPA Pool

wpapool.com

The usual nonsense from WPA. They'd have us believe that they've done enough to ensure that doctoring of the cue ball is not tolerated and will be dealt with harshly.

Unfortunately, the officials in any WPA sanctioned event are acting on behalf of the WPA and know WPA rules. I have never seen an official take action to discipline those guilty of an infraction of this type. I have also never even seen an official give a player as much as a warning about possible violation.

They write "we have recently become aware ...." and that is false. There is nothing new about this practice, which has suddenly become more visible than in the past.

To those at WPA, you have not done enough to limit this practice, so get off your duffs and make sure that officials start enforcing rules that are already on the books, rather than trying to pass the buck by suggesting you have done enough to largely eliminate this practice.

 

[billiards_watch]

Let’s face it.

We’re all pool players and we play in tournaments where we’re friendly with the directors. It’s like family with everyone all playing in the same events and seeing each other on a regular basis.

They won’t punish whoever it is. This is their warning. Don’t do it again!

 

[vincett]

Let’s face it.

We’re all pool players and we play in tournaments where we’re friendly with the directors. It’s like family with everyone all playing in the same events and seeing each other on a regular basis.

They won’t punish whoever it is. This is their warning. Don’t do it again!

Dont do what ? Who is exactly is doing that ? And how ?

 

[sjm]

Let’s face it.

We’re all pool players and we play in tournaments where we’re friendly with the directors. It’s like family with everyone all playing in the same events and seeing each other on a regular basis.

They won’t punish whoever it is. This is their warning. Don’t do it again!

I really want to believe that you are correct here, but does this feel like a warning?

A warning would be " we will greatly increase the level of scrutiny in this area" and will take decisive disciplinary action against those found guilty of doctoring the cue ball including fines and suspensions.

I'll believe it when I see it.