Weight Bolts for McDermott Cue?

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Hi,

I just received a used McDermott M802 pool cue in great shape manufactured in 2005 and want to add some weight to it. It now has no weight bolt so I have no idea what size threads it has and I have found McDermotts have two available sizes described at many vendors as skinny and fat.... Anyone have any idea what type I need?

Heck it I knew for sure what thread size it has I'd just pick something up at the hardware store.

Thanks for your help.
Craig
 
The large diameter bolts have only been used for the past few years. Your 2005 cue would have the smaller diameter bolt...JER
 
NOSValves said:
Hi,

I just received a used McDermott M802 pool cue in great shape manufactured in 2005 and want to add some weight to it. It now has no weight bolt so I have no idea what size threads it has and I have found McDermotts have two available sizes described at many vendors as skinny and fat.... Anyone have any idea what type I need?

Heck it I knew for sure what thread size it has I'd just pick something up at the hardware store.

Thanks for your help.
Craig
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Craig, I have all sizes of the weight bolts for McDermott Cues. Send me a photo of the cues butt so I can see which one it uses and I can send you a bolt.

Take care
 
manwon said:
Craig, I have all sizes of the weight bolts for McDermott Cues. Send me a photo of the cues butt so I can see which one it uses and I can send you a bolt.

Take care
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Craig,

Us Craig's have to stick together ;) you ever get sick of being called Greg?

You have a PM thanks for the offer to help.

Thanks everyone else for the help also!

Craig
 
NOSValves said:
Hi,

I just received a used McDermott M802 pool cue in great shape manufactured in 2005 and want to add some weight to it. It now has no weight bolt so I have no idea what size threads it has and I have found McDermotts have two available sizes described at many vendors as skinny and fat.... Anyone have any idea what type I need?

Heck it I knew for sure what thread size it has I'd just pick something up at the hardware store.

Thanks for your help.
Craig
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If it's the "big" one- 3/4" you will know when you look at it- it looks like practically the whole cue is bored out. If it's the 1/2" then the thread count is 1/2" x 13 they may have that size socket screw at the hardware store. Only thing is if you want to add a LOT of weight you may need to pick up McDrermott's special bolt because the hole might not be threaded very deep down. But if you only want to add an ounce or so the standard hardware store bolt will work. 1.5" long = 1 oz.

-Mike
 
Got a great tip from manwon. I took out a 2oz. bolt from my McDermott D-4 and manwon said to just saw it in half to make it lighter. Simple works for me!
 
You may want to get a weight bolt of some sort in there soon. I remember reading a thread that suggested that McDs are supposed to have a weight bolt in them as it adds something to them structurally. If you want the cue to be light you should still use an aluminum weight bolt (or maybe it was nylon or something, I forget).

If the weight bolt is helping hold the cue together, I would think about using a real McD bolt instead of shorter ones from hardware stores.
 
Good point Paulie B. McDermott used to have 3" long 1/2oz. aluminum bolts for their older cues but all have been sold. The 2oz. bolt I removed from my D-4 was 5 inches long. Is the bolt necessary for structural integrity? How long is long enough?
 
NOSValves said:
Craig,

Us Craig's have to stick together ;) you ever get sick of being called Greg?

You have a PM thanks for the offer to help.

Thanks everyone else for the help also!

Craig
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Craig here, I do believe that year has the large weight bolt. I don't work on many but I think when they went to the PITA bumper they started with the big diameter bolt.
 
You need the weight bolt to secure the bumper. If you cut it too short the threads won’t catch.

The weight bolt does also act as a fastener for the butt plate. Without a weight bolt you run the risk of the butt plate falling off if it is subject to a hard impact.



Jayme Cernicka

McDermott Cue

1-800-666-2283 x 121

www.mcdermottcue.com
 
You need the weight bolt to secure the bumper. If you cut it too short the threads won’t catch.

The weight bolt does also act as a fastener for the butt plate. Without a weight bolt you run the risk of the butt plate falling off if it is subject to a hard impact.



Jayme Cernicka

McDermott Cue

1-800-666-2283 x 121

www.mcdermottcue.com
 
PaulieB said:
You may want to get a weight bolt of some sort in there soon. I remember reading a thread that suggested that McDs are supposed to have a weight bolt in them as it adds something to them structurally. If you want the cue to be light you should still use an aluminum weight bolt (or maybe it was nylon or something, I forget).

If the weight bolt is helping hold the cue together, I would think about using a real McD bolt instead of shorter ones from hardware stores.
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Paul this information is not correct, McDermott cues do not have to have a weight bolt in them. The weight bolt does not have anything to do with the structural integrity of the cues design, I don't know who told you that but they were completely mistaken.

No disrespect intended!!!
 
luke said:
You need the weight bolt to secure the bumper. If you cut it too short the threads won’t catch.

The weight bolt does also act as a fastener for the butt plate. Without a weight bolt you run the risk of the butt plate falling off if it is subject to a hard impact.



Jayme Cernicka

McDermott Cue

1-800-666-2283 x 121

www.mcdermottcue.com
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Jayme are you talking about this customer's specific model cue? Other than the sneaky pete I'm not aware of any current McDermotts that require a bolt to secure the bumper. Also to suggest that the butt plate could fall off if there is no weight bolt installed makes me ponder what kind of glue you guys are using? Of all the production cues I carry McDermott's are the only ones that have a flange on the weight bolt- i.e. none of them are using the weight bolt to hold the butt cap in place. I'm just completely blown away by this statement, especially coming from you because I know you know what you're talking about. I would love some clarification / further details on your comment.

-Mike
 
luke said:
You need the weight bolt to secure the bumper. If you cut it too short the threads won’t catch.

The weight bolt does also act as a fastener for the butt plate. Without a weight bolt you run the risk of the butt plate falling off if it is subject to a hard impact.



Jayme Cernicka

McDermott Cue

1-800-666-2283 x 121

www.mcdermottcue.com
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Wait, you're not Jayme. Are you quoting Jayme or are you just providing his name and number because he is the repair / warranty guy at McDermott?
 
manwon said:
Paul this information is not correct, McDermott cues do not have to have a weight bolt in them. The weight bolt does not have anything to do with the structural integrity of the cues design, I don't know who told you that but they were completely mistaken.

No disrespect intended!!!
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I am taking your word on this lol! I have a friend who just bought a McDermott from Ebay that has a weigth bolt in it at 19 oz. She likes it lighter so she is going to have this removed. I hope it is not required for the cue to be structurely sound.

See attached....Good price on it too!

http://cgi.ebay.com/McDermott-Rare-...471?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item336283ea57
 
The response from Jayme Cernicka was in regards to an email I sent to McDermott regarding removal of the weight bolt on my D-4. I'm not sure what is correct since there is a difference of opinion between McDermott and AZBers.
 
luke said:
The response from Jayme Cernicka was in regards to an email I sent to McDermott regarding removal of the weight bolt on my D-4. I'm not sure what is correct since there is a difference of opinion between McDermott and AZBers.
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OK I'm sure they have changed the design since then because a weight bolt is not needed to hold the bumper in on McDermotts made in the last decade at least. I'm still in shock with him saying that the butt cap could come off without the bolt in place that just doesn't sound right at all.
 
manwon said:
Paul this information is not correct, McDermott cues do not have to have a weight bolt in them. The weight bolt does not have anything to do with the structural integrity of the cues design, I don't know who told you that but they were completely mistaken.

No disrespect intended!!!
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Craig,

I was given a McDermott cue several years ago; the cue was heavy (21 oz.). I knew nothing about these cues, so I called McDermott. The man I spoke to told me that a weight bolt was required for structural integrity - he used that exact phrase. He sent me an aluminum bolt to replace the weight bolt.
The McDermott-supplied aluminum bolt has 1 inch of threads and weighs 9 grams.
Maybe McDermott has changed and weight bolts are no longer required, but they used to be.

Howard
 
This is an interesting thread and there is a great deal of confusion on the subject of McDermott Cues.

From the 1970's until the Mid-1990's McDermott used a weight bolt design that had the bumper secured to it by a screw. The cues that used this design were the MR Series (A), the B-Series, the C-Series, the D-Series, the Wild Life-Series, the HD-Series, the E-A- Series, E-B Series, E-C Series, E-D-Series, E-F- Series, E-G- Series, E-H - Series, E-I -Series, E-J - Series, E-K - Series, and the E-M -Series.

These cues did not use a threaded Tenon that the Butt Cap screwed on to, the weight bolt gave the Butt Cap extra security in case of a Glue failure where the Butt Cap and the Tenon were attached. This in no way means that the cues butt cap would fall off if the weight bolt was removed, however, without some form of weight bolt being in the cue you could not secure the cues bumper and that is what they were talking about concerning the weight bolt.

Since the 1990's McDermott has used a push in bumper design which is not attached in anyway to the weight bolt of their present cues. Now it is not necessary to have any weight bolt in their cues and nothing will happen that will lose parts or damage the cue.

Many cue makers have used a butt cap / bumper design over the years that required a weight bolt for structural integrity, in fact some of the most famous cue makers in the world used this design to name a few George Balabushka, and Gus Szamboti. These gentleman used a material called Delrin for their butt cap material, because they it is very very strong and because the cues butt cap in many cases can be damaged from anger.
The problem with the material is that it's surface doesn't allow adhesives to stick to it very well, so they used the weight bolt not only to secure the bumper, but to also reinforce and hold the cues butt cap in place.

I hope this information helps clear up some of the confusion and that it also helps everyone understand what importance the weight bolt actually plays in the cues design.

Take Care
 
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