weight bolts in custom cues ?

dooziexx said:
You know whats really pisses me off... Noone jumps on blud when he makes a blanket statement like that saying


To me that statement is bashing other cue makers.. 2 weeks ago when Shorty made that thread about bluds cue being not hot, everyone jumped on Shorty.. So its ok for blud to bash other cue makers while consumers like us are not allowed to voice our opinion about his cues.... Seems like blud likes to think that he is the best in the business....Puhleeeze...

Thought that I was making that point without truly "bashing anyone. But, you do bring up a good point. There are a lot of cuemakers out there, especially the older, more established, so-called "Master" cuemakers who believe that their way is the only way and the best way to build a cue. I've had cuemakers bash other cuemakers several times, and quite simply, I won't do business with them. I spent a few very enjoyable hours last year with the guy that made my cues, just shooting the bull. That very subject came up and he put it well saying "they all think they're heroes, I don't give a shit", and I agree with him. Now we're seeing some of the top name cuemakers sending most of their work to Japan, and being asked to raise their prices due to the off-shore markets. To me, they are crapping on the players that really got them where they are today. I'll stick with my cuemaker because a) he does great work, b) his prices are more than fair, c) his cues hit great, and d) he communicates with his customer, plus, I just plain like the guy!
 
coastydad said:
I'll stick with my cuemaker because a) he does great work, b) his prices are more than fair, c) his cues hit great, and d) he communicates with his customer, plus, I just plain like the guy!

If you're referring to a well known cuemaker out of N.J. I'm happy to say that I will be placing an order very soon.
He has responded to all my emails and it's the honesty I really appreciate. Not that others aren't, but he gives it to you straight and tells you if he can't or won't do something and why.

Regards,
Koop
 
nuts and bolts

I've got cues with and without weight bolts. I've wondered about this for many years. My two cents is: I think that changing the overall weight of a cue by removing or adding weight just in the back of the butt will get you to that weight but it must affect the balance point. I play exclusively with a open bridge (I'm missing some fingers so I can't use a closed bridge even if I wanted to) and I really prefer a forward weighted cue for that reason. For me putting more weight in the butt of my cue would be a mistake. Taking some out might be ok even though it would lighten the overall weight of the cue a little.

Pawnmon
 
dooziexx said:
You know whats really pisses me off... Noone jumps on blud when he makes a blanket statement like that saying


To me that statement is bashing other cue makers.. 2 weeks ago when Shorty made that thread about bluds cue being not hot, everyone jumped on Shorty.. So its ok for blud to bash other cue makers while consumers like us are not allowed to voice our opinion about his cues.... Seems like blud likes to think that he is the best in the business....Puhleeeze...

I think that statement is right on the money...

Quote:
Originally Posted by blud
Some cuemakers don't care what happens to the proformance of there cues.
So, therefore, they use bolts. There just after the cash, and care not how the cue plays.


Note the word SOME, not most, not many, not all. SOME. I am sure there are some out there just as he describes. He didnt name names, he made a general statement on his view from the side.

jmo...
 
pawnmon said:
I've got cues with and without weight bolts. I've wondered about this for many years. My two cents is: I think that changing the overall weight of a cue by removing or adding weight just in the back of the butt will get you to that weight but it must affect the balance point.

Pawnmon


It does and can but it really depends on how much you add. If you add up to 1/2 oz. its not hardly anything. That's why imo, it's good to have heavier shafts also.
 
OrigZaphod said:
I think that statement is right on the money...

Quote:
Originally Posted by blud
Some cuemakers don't care what happens to the proformance of there cues.
So, therefore, they use bolts. There just after the cash, and care not how the cue plays.


Note the word SOME, not most, not many, not all. SOME. I am sure there are some out there just as he describes. He didnt name names, he made a general statement on his view from the side.

jmo...

You are pointing out the obvious. Anyone who reads Blud's post with logic, not emotion, surely sees that. Sad you had to put that up AGAIN and even translate!
 
Koop said:
If you're referring to a well known cuemaker out of N.J. I'm happy to say that I will be placing an order very soon.
He has responded to all my emails and it's the honesty I really appreciate. Not that others aren't, but he gives it to you straight and tells you if he can't or won't do something and why.

Regards,
Koop

Yeah, Koop you're probably right on the money! He's a no BS kind of guy and I'm sure that he will take good care of you.
P.S. I went to high school just outside of Boston. Was back there in March on business and caught up with an old buddy I hadn't seen for 38 years. We hit some balls and had some beers, good times.
 
coastydad said:
Yeah, Koop you're probably right on the money! He's a no BS kind of guy and I'm sure that he will take good care of you.
P.S. I went to high school just outside of Boston. Was back there in March on business and caught up with an old buddy I hadn't seen for 38 years. We hit some balls and had some beers, good times.

Next time let me know when you're coming. I always love the excuse to get out and play and some pool.

We are definitely talking about the same guy. :)

Koop
 
OrigZaphod said:
I think that statement is right on the money...

Quote:
Originally Posted by blud
Some cuemakers don't care what happens to the proformance of there cues.
So, therefore, they use bolts. There just after the cash, and care not how the cue plays.


Note the word SOME, not most, not many, not all. SOME. I am sure there are some out there just as he describes. He didnt name names, he made a general statement on his view from the side.

jmo...

It IS obvious - this means that cuemakers who use bolts are cuemakers who don't care what happens to the performance of their cues. There is no other way to interpret this - he didn't say "some cuemakers who use bolts don't care..."
 
Black-Balled said:
You are pointing out the obvious. Anyone who reads Blud's post with logic, not emotion, surely sees that. Sad you had to put that up AGAIN and even translate!
It is sad, especially since the translation was incorrect. I read his original post with logic and felt it was incorrect since some "bolt users" are some of the best custom cue-makers around, but certainly he has the right to his opinion. I think that people who read the post with emotion wanted to find a way to support Blud's comments even though the meaning was obvious.
 
I have tried some Ginacues with bolts which, in my opinion, were balanced much better than some of the fanciest Southwest money can buy. And the latter had no bolt at the butt end. I have played with Cognoscenti without a bolt and I felt that it played much better after I added a small bolt at the end.

I now play with a Layani and it has a bolt and I love the way it is balanced.

We do not use any bolt on the X Breaker we manufacture but we have allowed the owner to add bolts at the butt end if he/she so desires. I use very heavy shafts (around 4.5oz) on my X Breakers so the weight is quite forward anyway. And we keep the balance point at 19" from the butt. I tested and found that the balance point was shifted back less than .5 " with the insertion of an .75 oz bolt.

I believe it is always a good idea to offer customers an option to adjust the weight since everyone is different and likes things differently.

Just my obervation and opinion. ;)

Richard
 
nipponbilliards said:
I have tried some Ginacues with bolts
I now play with a Layani and it has a bolt and I love the way it is balanced.

We do not use any bolt on the X Breaker we manufacture but we have allowed the owner to add bolts at the butt end if he/she so desires. I use very heavy shafts (around 4.5oz) on my X Breakers so the weight is quite forward anyway. And we keep the balance point at 19" from the butt. I tested and found that the balance point was shifted back less than .5 " with the insertion of an .75 oz bolt.

I believe it is always a good idea to offer customers an option to adjust the weight since everyone is different and likes things differently.

Just my obervation and opinion. ;)

Richard

Yes, but obviously Ernie and Thierry don't give a rats ass about customer satisfaction or quality. In it for the money, every last one of em. ;)
 
Koop said:
Next time let me know when you're coming. I always love the excuse to get out and play and some pool.

We are definitely talking about the same guy. :)

Koop

Will do Koop. Unfortunately they don't let me out in public much!
 
wrong guys

dooziexx said:
You know whats really pisses me off... Noone jumps on blud when he makes a blanket statement like that saying


To me that statement is bashing other cue makers.. 2 weeks ago when Shorty made that thread about bluds cue being not hot, everyone jumped on Shorty.. So its ok for blud to bash other cue makers while consumers like us are not allowed to voice our opinion about his cues.... Seems like blud likes to think that he is the best in the business....Puhleeeze...
some folks make a mountain out of a moe hill. I have NOT BASHED any cuemakers. I simply made an honest statement how some guys do.I have heard several of them speak of it offen.
I never mentioned anyones name. I have more respect for them than that. Let them build whatever works for them.
blud
 
I read that Viking locates weight bolts several inches from the butt cap, where the intended balance point is. That would certainly minimize any change in the cue's perceived balance point if you decided to change the bolt.

Then there's the question of how sensitive we really are. With all the oldtimers who can take any boogered up house cue off the wall and lay waste to all comers, is it really going to kill us if a cuemaker installs a bit of extra weight via a bolt? It's still an awesome cue with a consistent hit.

Blud clearly said "some" cuemakers cared only about the buck at the end of the sale, and I'm sure there are some cuemakers like that. As in all things, caveat emptor.
 
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LC3 said:
Viking locates weight bolts several inches up the butt.

Ouch that hurts just reading it.

Blud, that hole your digging is getting pretty deep. Weight bolts are pretty standard for all cuemakers.
 
blud said:
Bruin,
I do not use weight bolts. If you have a weight bolt system, and you change weight bolts, you make the cue have a differant balance point than it's designed for.It will not proform as designed.
Some cuemakers don't care what happens to the proformance of there cues.
So, therefore, they use bolts. There just after the cash, and care not how the cue plays. Believe me there's plenty who don't give a crap
.
I weight and balance my cues with the woods being used.Now that's a true custom cue.
blud


You didn't bash (1) cuemaker....You bashed a whole group of cue makers with one swoop of your wood balanced cue......

What is the difference between a ivory or ebony inlay to weight a cue vs. a metal inlay??? ...

Isn't that all a weight bolt really is??....an inlay?
 
My Blackboar has a weight bolt...it was a little heavy so I swapped out for an aluminum bolt that lightened it up to 19.2 with the original shaft...pushed the balance forward a little...still has a super great hit. My Bluegrass doesn't have a weight bolt...also has a super great hit....I like them both. :D
 
LC3 said:
I read that Viking locates weight bolts several inches from the butt cap, where the intended balance point is. That would certainly minimize any change in the cue's perceived balance point if you decided to change the bolt.


Joss and Meucci do the same thing and when you screw it way up inside it does feel different than when it's all the way at the end. It could be better or it might not be, but it does change the feel. You do have the option of screwing it in as far as you'd like.
 
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