What a tool!!!

[book collector]

It's a tough lesson for the kid , but in the scheme of life, on a scale of 1 to 10 , it is a .001
Whoever the adult voices belonged to at the end, were way out of line, that behaviour, in my opinion is far worse, than the call, and a really terrible example of how to deal with adversity in front of a young person. Hopefully they will apologise to the guy and the little girl for acting that way.
If I were her father , she would have shook the guys hand and understood that it was her mistake , that caused her to lose, not what the opponent did.

 

[DeadStick]

As it was caught on camera, they should have had more class than that.

"caught" on camera, lol... they were operating the camera, and aimed it to record his face at the end for posterity. And then were fine with it going on their daughter's channel with no trimming at the end.

 

[smiling_Hans]

I determine for myself that if I ever need nitpick rules to get win stop playing anything at that moment. I would rather bite my dick off than call fouls like that. No matter if ref calls it. It is their job.
I get that "technically" it need to be called but still I would never do it.

But it was parents still acting very bad and video kinda showed like Hoang talk shit. Thats not good.

I can understand it because there are players that try to follow the rules to a T and they expect others to do so as well.

If it is a strict game where shots have to be called regardless of "clear and obvious" then you better call the shot.

I mean if I shot hours and hours having to call every shot then it gets pretty tiring, therefore, I expect my opponent to do so too.

Not calling a shot is sometimes considered arrogance on the player. They can argue "clear and obvious" but that doesn't fly in a game with these rules.

 

[oscargrouch]

I agree with you, the shot was very obvious and also agree that the rules state combos must be called. If a ref had been at the table, they would have called the foul. I find these type of situations interesting when a ref is not present, which rules do you feel should be enforced and which rules should not be and how do you determine that.

It's easy. You use ethics and good sportsmanship as your guide.

 

[skogstokig]

I agree with you, the shot was very obvious and also agree that the rules state combos must be called. If a ref had been at the table, they would have called the foul. I find these type of situations interesting when a ref is not present, which rules do you feel should be enforced and which rules should not be and how do you determine that.

yea, funny that. maybe call shot 10-ball isn't the optimal game in a big amateur tournament with limited refereeing. same with all ball foul. good rule, but not everywhere everytime. the more of these idiotic situations one can prevent, the better.

 

[garczar]

Wasn’t it Mika and De Luna that got into it over a similar situation once. Or maybe Mika and Gomez, it was Mika and someone tho

 

[DeadStick]

I can understand it because there are players that try to follow the rules to a T and they expect others to do so as well.

If it is a strict game where shots have to be called regardless of "clear and obvious" then you better call the shot.

I mean if I shot hours and hours having to call every shot then it gets pretty tiring, therefore, I expect my opponent to do so too.

Not calling a shot is sometimes considered arrogance on the player. They can argue "clear and obvious" but that doesn't fly in a game with these rules.

You only need to call non-obvious shots (and the 10-ball) in 10-ball.

But combo's are specifically called out in the rules as being non-obvious, along with kicks, banks, caroms, and jumps.

 

[sigep1967]

This was stupid too lol

 

[nine_ball6970]

It's easy. You use ethics and good sportsmanship as your guide.

wouldnt ethics say you abide by all rules whether you agree with them or not? The rule is very clear.

 

[$TAKE HOR$E]

Hahaha yep…mouthed it or not De Luna couldn’t see it and Mika acting like that was pure teenage girl

Many many years ago during a brief stint in the APA, when folks would make bad hits or foul I’d just say no biggie just puttem back where they was or shoot again who cares. Granted that crooked ass league should just be for fun…but isn’t it all just for fun anyway…

 

[8cree]

Aren't you suppose to call the shot?

This isn't a friendly game where "clear and intentional" is involved. This is real competition.

Try reading the thread before commenting hank

 

[TeddyKGB]

I've seen people do this shit in a 10$ tournament on saturday night

 

[smiling_Hans]

It's the rules.

We don't need to break or bend the rules.

Example our government bending the law for illegals. Lets not let this trickle down to pool.

 

[nataddrho]

For those who say: rules are rules...

Western society has a weird relationship rules/laws and morality, as if they are equivalent things. Maybe it is from the Puritans, though they weren't necessarily an inclusive group.

It was morally wrong to call a foul, regardless of what the rules are.

If you operate society solely on rules and laws, and use it as justification to exclude human factors like compassion, understanding and love, then you end up with authoritarianism . Black and white / right and wrong, are easy for people to understand because it requires no critical thought and costs no mental energy on decision.

You can not dismiss the human condition as binary.

 

[nataddrho]

It's the rules.

We don't need to break or bend the rules.

Example our government bending the law for illegals. Lets not let this trickle down to pool.

This is exactly the type of thinking you should beware of.

 

[smiling_Hans]

If you operate society solely on rules and laws, and use it as justification to exclude human factors like compassion, understanding and love, then you end up with authoritarianism . Black and white / right and wrong, are easy for people to understand because it requires no critical thought and costs no mental energy on decision.

While this is true BUT this is a competition.

Two humans going into the situation trying to kill each other (win) for prize money.

It not a utopian world. It is a dog eat dog world or instance.

 

[Poolmanis]

While this is true BUT this is a competition.

Two humans going into the situation trying to kill each other (win) for prize money.

It not a utopian world. It is a dog eat dog world or instance.

Is your last name Hoang Hans?

 

[ChrisinNC]

For those who say: rules are rules...

Western society has a weird relationship rules/laws and morality, as if they are equivalent things. Maybe it is from the Puritans, though they weren't necessarily an inclusive group.

It was morally wrong to call a foul, regardless of what the rules are.

If you operate society solely on rules and laws, and use it as justification to exclude human factors like compassion, understanding and love, then you end up with authoritarianism . Black and white / right and wrong, are easy for people to understand because it requires no critical thought and costs no mental energy on decision.

You can not dismiss the human condition as binary.

I hope most of us would generally agree that:

1) She should have called the combination.

2) Hoang should not have called the infraction on her.

3) Her parents should not have gone off on Hoang to the extent they did on camera after the match, regardless of how they felt.

4) Before releasing the video on the web, if her parents were indeed the ones who filmed it, they should have ended the video at the completion of the match, before their making the extremely unsavory and unprofessional statements to Hoang.

 

[nataddrho]

While this is true BUT this is a competition.

Two humans going into the situation trying to kill each other (win) for prize money.

It not a utopian world. It is a dog eat dog world or instance.

This is indeed a competition.

However, what is competition without compassion and understanding? A war? These people aren't warriors trying to kill each other, and they do not need to win at all costs in order to establish the survival of their people based on geographical resources.

It is a competition of people who enjoy the same hobby, and winner gets a trophy/cash. But mostly it is people coming together to do what gives them joy. War is not joy. Furthermore, the circumstances of this paticular situation is that one competitor is a young girl... which as a society we naturally have more empathy for... and also she is clearly an enthusiast in pool which we should all be collectively championing.

Dog eat dog world is a spiritless mentality that puts your own ego first, and minimizes your own suffering on behalf of others.

The pool world is no different. Whom is our most celebrated champion of the sport, and was he someone who lacked or had an excess of humility?

 

[smiling_Hans]

Is your last name Hoang Hans?

No but there is basically nothing anyone can do about it.

If she called the shot then it wouldn't happen right?

This is a pool tournament where players have probably plunked down hundreds or thousands of dollars just to break even. It is what it is.

Lesson learned for her. The positive is she will never make this error again. Look at it from this perspective.