What are fair fees for tournament directors to charge

[336Robin]

Exactly

Agreed. It's unfortunate that most pool halls really have to be a bar first and a pool hall second to stay afloat, but that describes all of the rooms around here. If pool halls charged enough for table time to cover the rent, staff, and upkeep, everyone would go somewhere else. All the owners I know want to have a pool hall, but would probably be more profitable just running a bar with a few coin-ops.

That is the absolute truth. The costs for the room and tables are so lopsided with what should be charged that Pool is really a losing business no matter how many leaguers you cram into the room. Now thats a bitter pill but its for real and its no slam on leaguers. The business doesnt hold up its a drain on something else that's much easier to market.

 

[Cory in DC]

What do you consider fair fees for tournament directors to charge for their services to the players?

Take into consideration the marketing and other things that go along with holding a tournament and also the player auction.

If it's a weekly or monthly tournament, then it's more a labor of love. I've done many of those and would usually get a moderate drink/food tab, like $30. Of course, I was always playing in those tournaments.

If running a mid-size event, especially if the TD isn't playing, then it's more of a job than a hobby. If it's not too complex, $20 to $30/hour might be right.

If it's a major event that requires more skill and effort, like a multi-day tournament with a large bracket, then you're talking about scarcer skills and more valuable time, so $30-$50 per hour seems reasonable.

 

[maha]

no he doesnt actually get paid by the hour. the hourly rate is what we have thought might he figure for his time.

he gets paid out of the fees over the buyin for the tournament just like in poker. and whatever he negotiates with the establishment for his services and that is his business..

all fees or charges taken out of the payout pool should and must be posted before the tournament is played and before people have put in their money. you either get it in the so called green fee or as an add-on to the buy in.

so say it is a hundred dollar tournament. all of that goes to the winners. and have say a 20 dollar add-on that is the charge for the event. for a 120 total.

if they have added money from somewhere that should be posted exactly how much it will be in total or based on player pool.

 

[Johnnyt]

Seems like only the same people get the jobs for the last 12 years, no matter how bad and lazy they are. Can't tell me it's that hard to do. The promoter picks the ref/TD. Too much control. That's another thing that happens when players don't have an organization. Johnnyt

 

[336Robin]

An Organization

Seems like only the same people get the jobs for the last 12 years, no matter how bad and lazy they are. Can't tell me it's that hard to do. The promoter picks the ref/TD. Too much control. That's another thing that happens when players don't have an organization. Johnnyt

Pool is about what people think is fair. If you don't seem fair people stop coming. That's your player organization and is probably the only one there will ever be.

 

[nine_ball6970]

Tournament director should be a volunteer position.

 

[336Robin]

It could be if run by the players

Tournament director should be a volunteer position.

It could be if run the by players but that's not all of the job. There's a whole lot to be done beforehand in marketing and keeping up with tour points, talking to owners deciding on the details, working out formats and various events etc, etc. Players being what they are and that is players I doubt seriously if any of them want the job so there's only one way feasible. Someone else has to do it and if they don't get paid well, then no one will. The subject is what fees are appropriate for the many services that a tournament director has to provide? It's a lot more than just showing up and playing or running an event. The event is a small part of what they do.

 

[Island Drive]

3 jobs

What do you consider fair fees for tournament directors to charge for their services to the players?

Take into consideration the marketing and other things that go along with holding a tournament and also the player auction.

The two above statements are three separate jobs.

TD's are normally just that tournament directors.

Marketing and player auctioneers are completely different jobs.

To me, if ya wanna create a successful event....you must be willing to give at first, and give allot, if your going to expect Anything in the long haul.

To make it work, I'd make it a One day event, on a Saturday. I'd make it sets 2/3 single elim. like tennis, that way you'll be able to time your matches and have Much better control of the venue. I would also start Early and have a breakfast/buffet? for the players, make it reali$tic.

Knowing your max allowed players will tell you your start time. Too me, I'd tee off probably 9 AM with Breakfast from 7-8:30.

Do a player auction with the final 16 only and the Sat. night crowd might get involved.

By doing this on a Sat. your not interfering with Friday nights with the family or dates or???, and Sunday, allot of people do church or bbq's or football parties, or have family get togethers.

If you do a Sat. event, then the players won't have to get a hotel room, which is a huge concern, and why many won't attend 2 day events.

To create this job, you must consider, family, friends, room owners needs, and much more. To me the worst part is playing late into Sat. night and then coming back Sunday morning when ONLY the players are there. If your down to the final 16 by dinner time the room tables will open up for the rooms REGULAR customers, who pay the bills. Also some of em may stay around and watch the BEST matches on their Sat. night, which traditionally is/was date night.

 

[336Robin]

Some nice touches

The two above statements are three separate jobs.

TD's are normally just that tournament directors.

Marketing and player auctioneers are completely different jobs.

To me, if ya wanna create a successful event....you must be willing to give at first, and give allot, if your going to expect Anything in the long haul.

To make it work, I'd make it a One day event, on a Saturday. I'd make it sets 2/3 single elim. like tennis, that way you'll be able to time your matches and have Much better control of the venue. I would also start Early and have a breakfast/buffet? for the players, make it reali$tic.

Knowing your max allowed players will tell you your start time. Too me, I'd tee off probably 9 AM with Breakfast from 7-8:30.

Do a player auction with the final 16 only and the Sat. night crowd might get involved.

By doing this on a Sat. your not interfering with Friday nights with the family or dates or???, and Sunday, allot of people do church or bbq's or football parties, or have family get togethers.

If you do a Sat. event, then the players won't have to get a hotel room, which is a huge concern, and why many won't attend 2 day events.

To create this job, you must consider, family, friends, room owners needs, and much more. To me the worst part is playing late into Sat. night and then coming back Sunday morning when ONLY the players are there. If your down to the final 16 by dinner time the room tables will open up for the rooms REGULAR customers, who pay the bills. Also some of em may stay around and watch the BEST matches on their Sat. night, which traditionally is/was date night.

There are some nice things in this idea that I think would work for the non pool playing for a living crowd that also work a job. If thats the kind of player you can get this would be awesome. Around my parts its hard to get a tournament started by 2pm, I guess the players are up most of the night playing. Nice ideas I like it.

 

[Island Drive]

There are some nice things in this idea that I think would work for the non pool playing for a living crowd that also work a job. If thats the kind of player you can get this would be awesome. Around my parts its hard to get a tournament started by 2pm, I guess the players are up most of the night playing. Nice ideas I like it.

Irony of it all, its not the pool players that keep a pool room business Open. The working people pay the rent....hard core pool players don't even like paying table time. They don't drink while competing, and if they eat your in house food, that's a start. Many go elsewhere. You should think outside the box if you want to possibly be successful. Traditional formats are very difficult to make many happy. I played in a 128 event a few months back, was still on the winners side when I finished match play on Sat. it was actually Sunday 1AM+ got ta sleep maybe by 2am and had to play at 10am. I ain't going down that road again, even tho I did real well. Samo/samo, but hey go for it.

 

[336Robin]

Oh yeah

Irony of it all, its not the pool players that keep a pool room business Open. The working people pay the rent....hard core pool players don't even like paying table time. They don't drink while competing, and if they eat your in house food, that's a start. Many go elsewhere. You should think outside the box if you want to possibly be successful. Traditional formats are very difficult to make many happy. I played in a 128 event a few months back, was still on the winners side when I finished match play on Sat. it was actually Sunday 1AM+ got ta sleep maybe by 2am and had to play at 10am. I ain't going down that road again, even tho I did real well. Samo/samo, but hey go for it.

Oh yeah. I've got some personal experience with who's paying the rent if you're lucky enough to have a crowd that will. From what I've seen is that unless you have a place that has some foot traffic you are going to be doomed. You have to appeal to people in places that people want to go and having stores around you to draw those people is essential to pulling in those kinds of players that you mention.