What are the rules for pushout 9-ball?

[PocketPoint]

I've been reading alot about pushout 9-ball, is it just the incoming player has the option to give the shot back?

Also, about when did they start playing express rules most of the time?

 

[TheVirus]

Express rules? And as for the push out, you can do what ever you want with the cue ball really... even pocket a ball, but if your doing the pushout your opponent can eitehr choose to take it and shoot or give it back to you. Oh.. don't scratch lol thats just ball in hand haha

 

[Seneca Steve]

Old push out rules

Not the push out after the break, as with Texas Express rules. The player can "push out" whenever he likes. Then the incoming player can accept or decline the shot. The player during his inning can push out more than once but not push out to one location and then another consecutivily. The push out is a foul so if the incoming player passes the shot back to the player who pushed out and he proceeds to commit a consecutive foul his opponent has ball in hand. "PUSH OUT" TWO FOUL BALL IN HAND is what it is called

 

[Mikjary]

Not the push out after the break, as with Texas Express rules. The player can "push out" whenever he likes. Then the incoming player can accept or decline the shot. The player during his inning can push out more than once but not push out to one location and then another consecutivily. The push out is a foul so if the incoming player passes the shot back to the player who pushed out and he proceeds to commit a consecutive foul his opponent has ball in hand. "PUSH OUT" TWO FOUL BALL IN HAND is what it is called

We called it 'two shot foul'. Another point was if the player went ahead and shot your pushout and fouled it was ball in hand for you. Because he fouled on the second shot even though he didn't push out. You did.

It eliminated safety play because you could roll out if you were hooked without penalty like today's rules on the break.

 

[dabarbr]

There were two way of playing push-out. Any two consecutive fouls was BIH and the other way was two fouls by the same man. Quite a bit of difference in the two.

Two fouls by the same man meant that if you pushed, I had the option to shoot, give it back, or re-push. If you were a sharp shooter like Keith or someone of that caliber and you pushed and if I didn't like the shot but didn't want to give it back to you because you might make it and run out, then I could re-push. Now we both are on one and who ever takes the shot must now satisfy the requirements for a legal shot or give up BIH. I would re-push to where who ever took the shot would have to play a safe, but playing a weaker player I liked pushout rules of any two fouls.

Push-out was fading away by the the late seventies and completely gone by the early eighties when Texas Express rules started to dominate.

 

[Bob Jewett]

I've been reading alot about pushout 9-ball, is it just the incoming player has the option to give the shot back?

Also, about when did they start playing express rules most of the time?

As I recall, 2-foul pushout also had all balls spot on fouls and a scratch (assuming it was not the second foul) gave cue ball behind the line. Of course if your opponent scratched, you could have him shoot again. The spot shot was important.

Any foul for ball in hand was adopted by the pro tour in about 1986. It was not exactly Texas Express rules but it was close.

 

[DogsPlayingPool]

As I recall, 2-foul pushout also had all balls spot on fouls and a scratch (assuming it was not the second foul) gave cue ball behind the line. Of course if your opponent scratched, you could have him shoot again. The spot shot was important.

Any foul for ball in hand was adopted by the pro tour in about 1986. It was not exactly Texas Express rules but it was close.

That's the way I remember it Bob. We used to practice spot shots all the time. It has become something of a lost art, but used to be an important part of the game.