What could Efren give up today?
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jrhendy said:
hi,
I voted for Efren giving 9-7.
I am thinking the same but has a different twist.Cory`s zodiac sign is scorpio and if I remember Ronie is an aquarian.Their thinking and thought process is miles apart and cory may not heed the advise of Ronie.
Bill I guess 9-7. Maybe less if Cory and Ronnie practice playing together a while.
I voted for 9-8. But after consideration, if Cory was winning getting 10-7, the addition of Ronnie's coaching is not going to bring him up two balls. Their ability to work together is the big unknown. I'd say they'd have a lock at 9-7, and would also be the favorites at 10-8.jrhendy said:
John, just for fun-- ask Ronnie what he thinks...
All the pressure would be on Cory, but he could handle it... Doc
JoeyA said:
I didn't say he wouldn't do it. I have played Efren races to 5 for $50 a few times. But Efren was not excited about playing for $50, and I think playing against another great player cheap won't excite him either. That is why I think playing against Corey Deuel 1-pocket for $200 a game would be about as exciting for Efren as me playing for $2 a game.
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When I started this thread I had Efren giving up 9-8 in my mind. I still believe that would be an even game if Cory accepted the idea that Ronnie had a superior one pocket mind set. Cory is still young. Too young to have seen Ronnie dusting them all in his prime. To quote, Jersey Red, “With plastic balls, Ronnie Allen, is the greatest one pocket player ever.” Obviously, this statement was made before Efren hit his stride.
I can think of no one pocket match available with more interest than putting Ronnie Allen in action again with the straight shooting ability of a Cory Duel. WOW, this one would be a KING KONG vs. GODZILLA.
When I started this thread I had Efren giving up 9-8 in my mind. I still believe that would be an even game if Cory accepted the idea that Ronnie had a superior one pocket mind set. Cory is still young. Too young to have seen Ronnie dusting them all in his prime. To quote, Jersey Red, “With plastic balls, Ronnie Allen, is the greatest one pocket player ever.” Obviously, this statement was made before Efren hit his stride.
I can think of no one pocket match available with more interest than putting Ronnie Allen in action again with the straight shooting ability of a Cory Duel. WOW, this one would be a KING KONG vs. GODZILLA.
As I have already said before. Don't by into some "magic 1 pocket concept" that if you are lucky you might find in some upcoming book. The bottom line is the older players had a philosophy of how to play 1 pocket and Efren is far far ahead of their strategy and their ability unfortunately they will never be able to bring themselves to admit it. Ask yourself this question is Efren the best ball pocketer in the world these days.. answer no.. is Efren the best banker in the world.. answer though his 2nd place finish at the derby proves he banks really well there are alot of guys that would love to play him bank pool.. CAN ANYBODY IN THE WORLD WIN WITH 9-7 ANSWER.. HELL NO The man is 5 for 5 in the 1 pocket division at the derby city over the years.. Thank about that 5 for 5. All those matches short races, you would think he would run into somebody in the zone over that time span that would be able to beat him in that format. Some guy shooting way way over his head at the time.. but no Efren is 5 for 5. If you think any of the older players would have been able to match this feat you are sadly mistaken... The truth of the matter is that Efrens concept is so far ahead of these older players that they cannot grasp it. Anybody in the world and I mean WORLD these days has at least 9-7. That is unbelievable. Also 20, 30 and 40 years ago there were just americans playing over here, now you have germany, Philipines, China, Japan, etc.. and Efren has been dominating the whole world for that whole time. Another question.. Who is the best 8 ball player and 1 pocket player in the world both games where you cannot just rely on shotmaking but have to figure out the best way to attack.. answer Efren. The best everybody can hope for is that Efren writes a 1 pocket book some day than EVERYBODY can learn the real way to play.
thebighurt said:
There is one player that Efren would not give 9-7 to for big bucks although the match will never happen and that is Jose Parica. Probably Parica if he gets in stroke is the only person that may be able to beat Efren even. Although Joyner is probably better than Parica and would play him for big dollars even, Joyner does not stand much of a chance against Efren. Parica has demolished Efren enough times over the years that the fear factor would not be the same as for other players. Most players game goes down when playing Efren but with Parica his game usually rises a few notches (not always).
I Like Efren
I didn't see this choice in your Poll, but I'm certain that Efren can spot anyone..... Mike Ditka AND Da Bears !!!!!
Doug
I didn't see this choice in your Poll, but I'm certain that Efren can spot anyone..... Mike Ditka AND Da Bears !!!!!
Doug
Smorgass Bored said:
I tend to agree with you, Doug. He is the best I have ever seen since Ronnie Allen. Grady posted this on OP.ORG and I thought it was very insightful. This is my reply to him.
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Originally Posted by Grady
Coaching is only worth about a ball and a quarter, if the guy is a good coach.
Corey can't spell One Pocket, as far as playing the game correctly.
He tried to give Marco Marquez 8 to 7. Marco robbed him, mostly because Corey doesn't know how to protect the lead. It was the worst "moving" I've ever seen from a top player.
This is a great point, Grady. I chose, Cory and Ronnie, due to Cory’s straight shooting ability. I would never argue with Grady’s assessment of any player’s one pocket thought process. Assuming, Grady, is right who would be a better fit with, Ronnie, as a partner? Grady mentions Marco. How about him? Or, could it be possible that because, as Grady puts it, Cory can’t spell one pocket, would he bow to, Ronnie’s, superior one pocket thought process and do exactly what Ronnie suggests without questioning the move? Bottom line, Ronnie and “Who” would make the best, “Team”, to challenge Efren?
Joey A. ?
Ronnie and Cliff ? Nicky ? Mr. Parica ?
Doug
hemicudas said:
Ronnie and Cliff ? Nicky ? Mr. Parica ?
Doug
Smorgass Bored said:
I don't think Cliff would automatically bow to Ronnie's superior knowledge of one pocket. Nick might be the same way. I don't know if Efren and Parica with Ronnie would pass the smell test. I would rather see a super straight shooting US player and Ronnie Take a shot at Efren. How about John Schmidt? Pretty straight shooter himself?
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Doug
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hemicudas said:
WHO ?
Doug
( never heard of him
hemicudas said:
I think John Schmidt would be a great choice, he shoots great and he probably doesn't have as much as a one-pocket ego as Corey does. Another player I'd love to see really take up one-pocket is Rodney Morris, his style of play always seemed to me to be well suited to one-pocket; he kicks well, he's creative, he's smart. If a top one-pocket player were to train Morris for awhile I wouldnt be at all surprised to see him win a major one-pocket event.
Bobby
hemicudas said:
The Coach (Jack Cooney) would have to be a person who understands most gamblers and what motivates them and how to access their weaknesses. Jack is probably the only person who I can think of who is a master of psychology not just hustling. It is not an easy job to coach someone, you must have the ability to understand and find a way to be a part of the player's thinking process without creating consternation and disquiet. The knowledge of how best to play is not enough to impart. You must be a master of psychology to be the best coach.
JoeyA