What difference does a whippiness in cue makes?

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What difference does the whippiness of a shaft makes?

Hi all experienced players. Would like some feedback on the above! :D

My feel is a stiffer shaft will help in training stroke fundamentals. I'm currently using a horrendoterrousibly whippy shaft, it gives me the shakes and vibrations when i apply extreme english.

It seems that inconsistency creeps in because of it, sometime CB squirts more, sometimes, less, but i'm not sure. Would anyone care to share their views here?
 
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A super whippy shaft should give you great draw on the cueball. I actually play my best with a medium whippy shaft and my worst with a predetor shaft. I think some whippyness is a good thing. The bottom line is that you will get used to how it plays and shoot good with it. What brand is it? :confused:
 
Fury NR series. Somehow the one that i'd was totally different from my friend's. Mine was more even balanced, and whips the crap out of the CB.

Is it recommendable for a 10 month baby like me? I'd tried a Falcon TS2 recently and fell in love with the hit. Thats why i'm asking this now... I dun have any coaches or mentors.
 
Fury cues are pretty popular here in the midwest, I didn't realise they were super whippy. Usually Meucci takes that spot. Try to use another brands shaft if you can find one to fit. I really think once you play alot with it you will get used to it and play good with it! :)
 
a whippy shaft will give you an inconsistant hit. you cannot rely on its "whippiness" to deliver the same hit all the time.

but after all,,,,,some greats play with meucci's, so what can you say:):) however it sounds like your whippy shaft is very unappealing to you, so that's reason enough to drop it.
 
People are saying that the whippier the shaft, the greater accuracy you get when using sidespin, because of less squirt. Basically, when you strike the cueball off center, the shaft bends and goes off the line more instead of the cueball. If you have a very stiff shaft, the cueball will go off the line more, because the shaft is pushing it out of the way.

Someone here said that a whippier shaft will give you a better draw, can you please explain this? I've never heard of this before.
 
This is just my personal observation of a Muecci. My buddy plays with one and gets fantastic draw on the cueball with it also he shoots real good with it. I guess he is used to the way it plays but, the Muecci cue is not holding him back on shotmaking. :)
LastTwo said:
People are saying that the whippier the shaft, the greater accuracy you get when using sidespin, because of less squirt. Basically, when you strike the cueball off center, the shaft bends and goes off the line more instead of the cueball. If you have a very stiff shaft, the cueball will go off the line more, because the shaft is pushing it out of the way.

Someone here said that a whippier shaft will give you a better draw, can you please explain this? I've never heard of this before.
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LastTwo said:
People are saying that the whippier the shaft, the greater accuracy you get when using sidespin, because of less squirt. Basically, when you strike the cueball off center, the shaft bends and goes off the line more instead of the cueball. If you have a very stiff shaft, the cueball will go off the line more, because the shaft is pushing it out of the way.
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I agree with this, and like a whippy shaft for this very reason.
 
cut shot said:
This is just my personal observation of a Muecci. My buddy plays with one and gets fantastic draw on the cueball with it also he shoots real good with it. I guess he is used to the way it plays but, the Muecci cue is not holding him back on shotmaking. :)
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Originally Posted by LastTwo, People are saying that the whippier the shaft, the greater accuracy you get when using sidespin, because of less squirt. Basically, when you strike the cueball off center, the shaft bends and goes off the line more instead of the cueball. If you have a very stiff shaft, the cueball will go off the line more, because the shaft is pushing it out of the way.
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I'm not buying into either program. Players draw the ball well because of a good stroke. I've never read where there is any substance to such a claim.

The accuracy part is in question as well. It isn't the shaft flex, it's the end mass that supposedly makes the difference in squirt. One thing for sure if your happy with a particular shaft, then it's right for you.

Personally I play with a very stiff shaft, no draw or follow problem here. Not recent but I've played with a Meucci and a McDermot and can't hit a bull in the butt with a base fiddle. The shafts just have to much flex with their pro tapers.

A Pred probably comes closer to my shaft than most but it's to darn small in dia and lacks feel. I don't like it for spinning in frozen balls either. We all like what we like but I ain't selling no one on the idea my stiff shaft is better. There is no proof, it is for me, but not for you.

Rod
 
Well, whippier shafts do give more spin. I got this verified with my own eyes/ears when one of the national players here with a stiff shaft tried my cue. However, the next thing he did mentioned is inconsistency if the fundamentals of the player is not solid enough.

I didn't understood what he meant back then. Probably just got it now. Difference in whippier shafts is that doing an english punch and english follow thru stroke squirts the CB off different amount. I do not know how to explain this theoretically, maybe some pros will advice here.
 
well from what i have always been told is, Whippier shafts, make it easier to use english, but you also have to deal with more deflection.

I have gone from a Schon to a Meucci Original,

Now as much as i loved my Schon, i play so much better with the Meucci because i have a easier time of using english.

But i guess if your not into deflection, you would want a stiffer shaft. I have never really been able to tell the difference in deflection. between my Schon or Meucci.
 
The whippier the shaft, the further the flex point is from the tip.
The further the flex point is from the tip, the more cueball deflection it will have and will also impart more english on the cb imo.
I noticed on my own shafts after I turned them down myself.
 
righto. in order to control that deflection, the bridge distance is increased, and i find i'd to make a tonne of changes just to accomodate that.

agreed?
 
FoRGotTeN said:
Well,,,,,,, I do not know how to explain this theoretically, maybe some pros will advice here.
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if you want the straight answer, ask VERY GOOD three cushion players. they are acutely aware of english/deflection/cue. it is what their game is all about. pool players don't have the same degree of knowledge in this area.
 
Probably the same as fishin poles. It's all in what you like. More feel and more action with the flexible shaft but I always caught more catfish with the good old bamboo pole.

Jake
 
jjinfla said:
Probably the same as fishin poles. It's all in what you like. More feel and more action with the flexible shaft but I always caught more catfish with the good old bamboo pole.

Jake
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I think it's actually a lot like golf clubs. In golf, stiff shafts make for shorter distances, but more control. Whippier shafts make for longer distance and less control.

In pool I arrived at the same conclusion - no scientific test, just stroking with both. I have more control with a stiff shaft, therefore I can go at the cueball a little firmer. With a soft shaft, I get so much action, I have a harder time controlling the cueball, and I have to baby the shots a little. I much prefer a stiff shaft.

I believe that the reason for this is that the softer shaft bends a little more on impact, which allows the tip to stay on the cueball a but longer, generating more friction and greater spin.

Chris
 
The consensus seems to be that whipper shafts give more spin. But my experience is slightly different. I was able to draw the cb much better with a Coker that has a medium stiff shaft. I've tried SWs and I can also draw better with a SW. When I try the stiff DPs, I can't spin the ball as much. From that I conclude that there is more than just the stiffness of your shaft that determines how much spin you are able to do with the same stroke. Tips, shaft taper, wood quality, ferrule, and even the butt construction I think all play a factor.
 
FoRGotTeN said:
Hi all experienced players. Would like some feedback on the above! :D

My feel is a stiffer shaft will help in training stroke fundamentals. I'm currently using a horrendoterrousibly whippy shaft, it gives me the shakes and vibrations when i apply extreme english.

It seems that inconsistency creeps in because of it, sometime CB squirts more, sometimes, less, but i'm not sure. Would anyone care to share their views here?
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There are a number of misconceptions in this thread, imo.

First, whippyness has to do with the flexibility of the shaft--how much it bends for a given force. Whether it vibrates a lot after the shot is a different issue. That has to do with how quickly the vibrations are damped. So you can have a whippy shaft that quickly returns to normal, and you can have a stiff shaft that feels like it is vibrating in your hand.

A whippy shaft doesn't give more spin.

Nor does it give less spin.

A whippy shaft isn't more inconsistent.

A whippy shaft doesn't squirt more.

A whippy shaft doesn't squirt less.

A whippy shaft doesn't have inconsistent squirt.

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