What do you guys think of this estimate?

sbrownn

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Don't have experience with most of these items but your 2nd and 3rd list items I do, including:

- 3 league Valley 8 footers done in western Washington (near Seattle) with new K55 rails, re-felt including Simonis 860 was just over $1000 per table out the door just over a year ago, including reducing the rail pocket width a little and leveling. cannot remember if new plastic pockets were included.
- Global 8 footer in western Washington (near Seattle) re-felted including Simonis 860 was $500, including leveling (table was quite level before). no new plastic pockets.

I think both of these are quite good deals, the 2nd one being surprisingly good. And the company that did the second job (Clark Billiard Services) either had a 90 mile drive from their location or a 60 mile drive including ferry fees and wait times. They did an excellent job, and again, included the price for new Simonis 860 felt and installation (like the first job, which is not by done by Clark).

So, in a nutshell, I think your estimate is way too high, especially given the cost of living in the Seattle area, which is usually only second to California (SF Bay Area and LA area) and east coast cost of living...
The one caveat to my too expensive post is possibly this is the only quality installer around within say a 2+ hour driving distance. Then, unfortunately, you have to pay their prices (hopefully after negotiating them down some) or go with someone that is not as good? This is what unfortunately seems to be happening in the PNW / Seattle areas with fewer and fewer table installers (again Clark Billiards Service was very good) plus quality cue makers and maintainers for tip, shaft and wrap work...
 
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FYI - My Table Mechanic David Danziger. RIP
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Fore Rail

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My better half & I just had our Gold Crown put together this summer.

We supplied the cloth, our mechanic supplied the new rails & extended the sub rails to our desired specs.

All in for the assembly / installation was $1200 + the cost of the cloth.

So $2550 to me would be way too much!!
 

rexus31

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My better half & I just had our Gold Crown put together this summer.

We supplied the cloth, our mechanic supplied the new rails & extended the sub rails to our desired specs.

All in for the assembly / installation was $1200 + the cost of the cloth.

So $2550 to me would be way too much!!
Location? Seems waaaaay too inexpensive for the work performed, assuming it was done correctly.
 

rykr01

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They must really be dinged up pretty bad. When I did my GC1/2 I had them polished and re-anodized. Then I had the pocket castings polished and plated with electroless nickel. And the feet and other metal parts chromed. But I got lucky because all my polishing and plating work was done for free since I'm a customer of a plating company. I actually insisted on paying but Cesare refused to take my money. So I got real lucky on that.

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Yeah, you did get lucky . My local plating company wanted $360 to plate the pocket casts, $300 to plate the feet, and $350 to plate the ball holder trim. I wound up buying the feet and pocket castings from classic billiards because it was simply cheaper.
 

rykr01

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Price is going to depend on location. For an apples to apples comparison, y'all need to provide your location for what you're being quoted and what you've paid. For example, California and Kentucky will have different rates.

For "Close pockets to my spec - $250" what exactly are they doing here to tighten the pockets?

Who are you getting your quote from?

I'm in SoCal. My mechanic charges $800 for a recover with Simonis 860 (9' GCI) so assembly and recover for $1,600 is a little on the high side. I would expect $1,300-$1,400.

I paid $1,500 for subrail modification, subrail extensions, pockets cut to my specs and new Diamond Black K55 rubber. A GCIII doesn't need subrail modification but does need subrail extensions to tighten the pockets correctly so $1,050 to do your rail work doesn't seem out of bounds What rubber he is using? As for the rail trim, I would remind him it is a GCIII and the trim is nailed in and not screwed in; $100 sounds a little cheap.
I won't give the company name. he is quoting $1400 for assembly and recover. He plans to use championship tour edition rubber. He tells me it's "more accurate". I do not know if he plans subrail extensions.
 

rykr01

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They must really be dinged up pretty bad. When I did my GC1/2 I had them polished and re-anodized. Then I had the pocket castings polished and plated with electroless nickel. And the feet and other metal parts chromed. But I got lucky because all my polishing and plating work was done for free since I'm a customer of a plating company. I actually insisted on paying but Cesare refused to take my money. So I got real lucky on that.

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they are dinged and scratched up pretty bad. Even polishing these up would require removing them.
 

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rexus31

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I won't give the company name. he is quoting $1400 for assembly and recover. He plans to use championship tour edition rubber. He tells me it's "more accurate". I do not know if he plans subrail extensions.
FWIW, I would do Brunswick SuperSpeeds or Diamond Blacks and I'd find out how he plans to tighten the pockets.
 

Monti

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I'm in Nova Scotia Canada so prices will vary from the USA. I bought a used 9ft and the mechanic and helper brought the table and assembled it. The $700 CAD included distance, Aramith tournament balls, wood triangle, wall cue rack, 4 one piece house cues and a rake. I thought it was pretty fair and I'll use him again when it's time for new cloth.
Was that new cloth as well or the old one put back on?
 

Black-Balled

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I got the following estimate on my GC3.

I haven't worked with a table mechanic so not sure if these prices are inline.
Then wtf gave that estimate?!?!
I'd think the rubber install includes cutting the pocket ends.

Also unknown, cut pockets to your spec. That means little without knowing if the table can accommodate that spec without extending the subrails
 

rykr01

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So the high estimate is using subrail extensions to tighten the pockets. I got another estimate at $1500 but that is shimming the pockets.
 

iusedtoberich

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I won't give the company name. he is quoting $1400 for assembly and recover. He plans to use championship tour edition rubber. He tells me it's "more accurate". I do not know if he plans subrail extensions.
Please don't put anything but Brunswick SuperSpeed on a Gold Crown. Thank you:)

Does your table need new cushions? Or since you are tightening the pockets, you want the cushions extended so only a regular thickness single shim is needed?
 

iusedtoberich

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I would not do diamond blacks.

Room near me did that and it was a mistake...way too bouncy, so the bed/ rail speed relations were nonsensical.
Same thing at a room I played in in PA. The 4 one pocket tables had Diamond Black cushions installed to extend the pockets instead of the prior triple shims (the original cushions were fine, just the players wanted the tighter pockets, and the Diamond Black was a lot cheaper than the SS cushions). The pockets played great, but the rails were too bouncy compared to the bed speed. The other 16 Gold Crown 4's that had the original SuperSpeed played great.
 

rykr01

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Please don't put anything but Brunswick SuperSpeed on a Gold Crown. Thank you:)

Does your table need new cushions? Or since you are tightening the pockets, you want the cushions extended so only a regular thickness single shim is needed?
Yes, will need new cushions. And I plan to use superspeeds. Yes, will be extending the cushions so only a single cushion facing is needed.
 
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