What Do You Hate To See In A Cue?

Icon: to hear a person make that claim? no! i don't think so!

That’s the point. It was the cue and Fred already issued a more than sound retort.

Icon: you're being serious about muecci or adams possibly being worth more than a bushka or szam becuase they were mentioned in the movie? surely you jest!

What I am saying is would either of those two have been worth more than a Bushka if mentioned in the movie?

Icon: no! before you asked about muecci and adams! i don't think actors get to choose dialogue! the movies were directed by two different people 25 years apart. i answered the first time that i have no idea why they selected balabushka. did you not understand that? why are you asking me again? maybe martin scorsese shoots with one? if you know why - spit it out!

In a totally different frame of reference.

Icon: and what would this have to do with pricing after published? if you had a concern why didnt you just tell mark since he had input? how did you have access to prepublished pricing? did mark share things he wasnt supposed to?

Jeff, long story. My mention about e-mailing Brad is maybe he would like the feedback and maybe he would apply it next time. You'll be happy to know I only inputted on the Palmers. I thought 1400 for a model b was a little out of it. If you must know.

Icon: as i stated before the values are not valid. any changes that were made would go in a second printing and by the time it hit the shelves they would no longer be valid as well. i don't think cue values have a place in a book that come out every 3 to 5 years.

Jeff I agree. But there might be a book 4. Your opinion might make a difference, maybe we can get an online pricing guide going like the pit used to be for baseball cards.

Icon: whatever the reason is it i will still have the opinion that they are over priced and less appealing to me personally as a collector since he did not make his own blanks. maybe mark ought to dump his as quick as possible for whatever he can get!

Great… to hear, everyone should have an opinion. Mark likes them, he also like the way they play. That’s what happens when you’re bought up on straight pool.

Joe
 
JimBo said:

....If you were really a fan of Skip's work you'd like the cues he made before his MK influence, I'm sure Joe wants the credit so bad he'll chime in any minute. Skip (from NJ) didn't start off making cues in the traditional style, he was forced into it by MK.....
Jim
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Jim, LOL. I'm sitting here laughing my a$$ off as I read your post on this thread....one more in the littany that were hijacked into one of your "cue design theft" rants.

Let's just look at your statement. I mean really......Skip was "forced into" making traditional style cues. How about getting a clue before shooting off at the mouth.

It's no secret that Joe, Mark, Dennis B., myself, and some others over the years have ordered and bought a bunch of cues from him. I can personally attest that not all of them were "traditional style". Some were Skip's own designs. Plain and simple, there's more of a market for traditional style cues with sharp cut inlay work, not oval or rounded diamond inlays or unusual wood combinations. I've sold many of them, so I know. This is true not only for Skip Weston, but any custom cuemaker whose stuff starts in the $800-$1000 range.

Furthermore, it's great that Skip's business has taken off and begun to flourish. Hear he has a lot of orders. I would like to think that in some small way, the exposure of having some of his cues listed on our site has helped to "get his work out there and on the map." Am I happy for Skip....absolutely.

Just out of curiousity.....since you profess to like Skip and his cues so much, just what have you done to help him and his business ??? Have you laid out your cash and taken a chance with his cues...the countless phone calls, emails, working with customers on specific orders, trade-shows, etc. ??? Yeah, I didn't think so.

For some reason, what always seems to show in your posts is your perpetual hard-on for Mark and Joe. Man, it's so bad that you ought to be the poster boy for Viagra.

"Forced into it by MK".....WHAT A DAMN JOKE. :rolleyes:

Thanks for the good laugh.

Sean
 
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JimBo said:
I guess you missed my point as well, I also happen to like traditional cues, as well as new stuff, I like all cues. But for you to say you choose Skip because of it and you don't like TW or JW is a joke. The point you miss is that as custom makers these guys can all make a cue anyway you want. Skip wasn't known as a traditional style maker, so asking him to do it would be no different then asking anyone else TW and JW included. I happen to own a Skip and I have met the man on several occasions. I for one would like to see new exciting work coming from these new exciting guys, sure we won't like it all, but that's what will bring changes and it will help cuemaking evolve. People need to stick up for their art and forge their own markets, trust me it works.

Jim
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No, I don't think I missed your point at all. Jimbo, here's the proverbial "bottom line"!
1. I like traditional four point cues.
2. I like Skip's traditional four point cues.
3. I like Skip's workmanship and the way that the two cues that I have play.
4. I like the way that Skip will work with his customer to get the cue that the customer wants.
5. I really don't give a flying F##k what you think.
6. I like Skip and his cues.
7. Try getting a traditional four point "old school" cue from Bill Stroud and let me know what his response is.
8. I'd love to have one of Barry's cues but the last time I heard he wasn't taking any orders until the next time hell freezes over.
9. I actually can afford to buy just about any cue that I would like to have, but, can also afford to take S@#t from somebody that doesn't know squat and play with whatever I like.
10. Don't talk to me about "Experience". I will "Experience" the living S#$t out of your sorry ass!
11. I personally have met and actually like all the cuemakers that you seem to revere so much, but, as I've said before, a lot of them are such a pain in the ass I choose not to deal with them.
12. I've been in wars on three different continents, during three different generations, been blued, screwed and tattooed on all of them, refuse to take shit from some friggin bartender.
13. More blasphemy, never saw an old Gina cue that didn't warp. Looked at Thomas Waynes cues at the BCA trade show and the shafts were crap. Richard Blacks cues have always played good for me, but, the workmanship in some of the cues looked like shit. Don't ever let Bill Schick find out that you sold one of his cues, he'll never make you another one. Actually, Mike Wheeler makes a better hitting cue (apprenticed under Richard Black). Jerry Franklin (rest his soul) and Laurie were/are some of the nicest people on the planet. But, I don't have time to wait 8 - 9 years for anything! Dave Kikel is a great cuemaker, but, a pain in the ass.
14. I'm sure that if you consult a certified medical professional that they have some sort of medication that can help you!
 
Jimbo,
As far as cue design theft goes...if a cue maker where really, truly worried about a design infringement, then there is something called a copyright...artists get them all the time. Can you tell me what cuemaker, if any, has done such a thing? This is a serious question, BTW.

Next, just because I cannot afford to own a Boti or a Bushka, who are you to tell me that I cannot hope to have something similiar to one made for me by somebody else, and furthermore, who are you to tell the cuemaker that they have no business making them either?! And as long as they are not representing their cues to be Boti's or Bushka's, there is no infringement, period!

Lisa: "Jimbo, can you please make me a traditional 4 point cue with some Boti-style diamonds and dots?"
Jimbo, the CueNazi: "No more cue for you!" :rolleyes:

Lisa
 
ridewiththewind said:
Jimbo,
As far as cue design theft goes...if a cue maker where really, truly worried about a design infringement, then there is something called a copyright...artists get them all the time. Can you tell me what cuemaker, if any, has done such a thing? This is a serious question, BTW.

Next, just because I cannot afford to own a Boti or a Bushka, who are you to tell me that I cannot hope to have something similiar to one made for me by somebody else, and furthermore, who are you to tell the cuemaker that they have no business making them either?! And as long as they are not representing their cues to be Boti's or Bushka's, there is no infringement, period!

Lisa: "Jimbo, can you please make me a traditional 4 point cue with some Boti-style diamonds and dots?"
Jimbo, the CueNazi: "No more cue for you!" :rolleyes:

Lisa
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Hey Lisa,

I have two words for you, "DON'T BOTHER".
Keep me posted on the Skip and I'll do the same.

Regards,
Koop
 
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billyards i bet you never thought this thread would turn out like this.

this thread has turned into one gigantic argument. most of it doesnt even make sense.

joe if you want to continue our argument you're going to have to point out to me exactly what we are arguing about because i still havent
figured it out.
 
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JimBo said:
The point you miss is that as custom makers these guys can all make a cue anyway you want.
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Are you sure TW or RB or BS can build me the same cue Skip built me? If I call them up and say, "listen, I want a traditional 4 pointer with the old geometry and hardwood veneers (not sycamore and not recuts!)" they will simply quote me a price?

I'm actually curious. To me it's not about the design per se as it is the construction methods that set Skip apart from all the rest. I've yet to see points as perfectly executed, neither in recuts or traditional soft veneered cues. And the fact that the entire cue is made from hardwoods is a selling point for me as well.

I have no interest in buying any cues from Barry Szamboti, eventhough his (dad's) designs are very appealing to me...simply because his execution is subpar compared to Skip's. From point work to inlays, BS falls short. In my book, BS does not deserve to sell cues at his prices when there are better craftsmen around. I feel the same way about Richard Black.

Your assumption that Skip's customers are a bunch of cheapskates who can't afford the read deal is way off mark. I would go to Skip if his prices are on par with Szamboti. Luckily they're not, but that doesn't mean it's the driving force of my purchasing decision.

-Roger
 
classiccues said:
=Joe (---held a gun to his head and said "Mother of pearl is your friend"
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Omg that second cue you posted had me LOL. Those floating double spears...under the joint!

-Roger
 
iconcue said:
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billyards i bet you never thought this thread would turn out like this.

this thread has turned into one gigantic argument. most of it doesnt even make sense.

joe if you want to continue our argument you're going to have to point out to me exactly what we are arguing about because i still havent
figured it out.
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jeff,
I don't feel every debate is an arguement..

Joe
 
classiccues said:
jeff,
I don't feel every debate is an arguement..

Joe
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geez! now you're arguing about what to call the argument :)
ok! what are we debating about?
 
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Icon:

You got that right! I never thought this topic would generate this response. We have really wrung-out every nook and cranny of cue design, huh?

Wait! I think there is a bit more to go:
Haven't seen anyone talking about TAD cues and would like to hear what people think about Lucky buying everything made by certain cuemakers (Black Boar and B. Samboti?) for the next 10 years. Plus, any thoughts about Hercek craftsmanship and designs?
 
iconcue said:
[Originally Posted by Cornerman
LOL!!! There were people collecting cues long before TCOM.

LOL!!! who said there wasn't?
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Your questions give the impression that you are in need of historical education/information. If you represent yourself as a knowledgeable cue collector, then I would think you would be open to the information that you didn't have previously. Your editing of my post puts my response out of context. Surely that's not what you or anyone wants to get out of these responses.

It may be the first time you've heard the claim that Balabushka was the cuemaker of choice for history's sake for the TCOM, but most serious collectors would have chosen Balabushka above all others. So, it's not the first time that cue aficionados would have heard that statement. I would think you'd welcome that information.

Did you get the information on why JOSS was chosen?

Fred
 
I was in a well know cue makers office when one of his employees came running in with a cue in hand and a shocked expression. He looked at the cue maker and said he was refinishing another Famous cue makers cue,started to sand the finish off and lo and behold the inlays dissappeared!They were decals!The guy thought he had screwed up this high end cue,but had no idea the makers work was decals!I never knew it until then.So decals are at the top of my list.
 
coastydad said:
12. I've been in wars on three different continents, during three different generations, been blued, screwed and tattooed on all of them, refuse to take shit from some friggin bartender.
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I love this line. I think I want to add it to my signature.

Fred
 
Cornerman said:
I love this line. I think I want to add it to my signature.

Fred
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Please use it, with my compliments. And, please excuse my rant! I'm old, I'm cold and my knees hurt!
 
SPINTHEBALL said:
I was in a well know cue makers office when one of his employees came running in with a cue in hand and a shocked expression. He looked at the cue maker and said he was refinishing another Famous cue makers cue,started to sand the finish off and lo and behold the inlays dissappeared!They were decals!The guy thought he had screwed up this high end cue,but had no idea the makers work was decals!I never knew it until then.So decals are at the top of my list.
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Oh! That's funny! Can't wait to see how this little drama unfolds.
 
Cornerman said:
Your questions give the impression that you are in need of historical education/information. If you represent yourself as a knowledgeable cue collector, then I would think you would be open to the information that you didn't have previously. Your editing of my post puts my response out of context. Surely that's not what you or anyone wants to get out of these responses.

It may be the first time you've heard the claim that Balabushka was the cuemaker of choice for history's sake for the TCOM, but most serious collectors would have chosen Balabushka above all others. So, it's not the first time that cue aficionados would have heard that statement. I would think you'd welcome that information.

Did you get the information on why JOSS was chosen?

Fred
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i welcome any information i didnt previously know!
but when you present it in a condescending manner with your usual "LOL!!!" to start it doesnt exactly put one in the mood to say "thanks"!

you also said that the choice would have been b/t balabushka and szamboti and possibly gina, in your opinion! now you are saying that "most serious collectors would have chosen balabushka above all others". so i guess your opinion wasnt with the majority?

jeff
 
Things I hate to see in a cue:

1) Lack of symmetry, especially above and below the wrap just drives me nuts. It does not even have to be anything complicated, but stupid things like placing a ring directly below the wrap directly but having a little gap between the wrap and the matching ring above of the wrap. This often happens with Jump/Break cues, and I cannot see why the wrap cannot simply be either extended or shortened a little to make it symmetrical. (The X-Breaker is an example of this.)

2) Don't even get me started on the butt cap woods not matching the forearm woods.

3) Cues being too expensive - I cannot stand to see beautiful cues I know I will never own. Something needs to be done about this! Jerry McWorter I'm talking to you buddy >:-O
 
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