What Do You Look For in a Pool Instructor

[BilliardsAbout]

A tip moving through C-D produces less spin than a tip moving through C-E (assuming C-E wasn't such an obvious miscue hit).

As said multiple times before, the cue's angle is irrelevant - it's the tip's direction of movement that matters.


lol

If you're going to namedrop, you need to drop a name.


Knowledgeable and truthful. If you were familiar with either of those things you might recognize them.

pj
chgo

Nice try at a goalpost shift. You falsely claimed I said "more english", not less (your new straw man), and then you ignored my comments on cue ball path.

PJ, there are times you come across as precise, intelligent. This is not one of those times.

To strike with 1/4" tip of english using a 12 mm tip, a 58-inch cue must be turned 3 millimeters. If stroking that way makes you "slide your bridge hand forward", there's blood on the cue stick--that's how snug your bridge loop must be.

And on what planet does C-E provide the same cue ball path as C-D? What is the name of the planet you've discovered? And do they have Earth-like gravity? Less aim adjustment is required for cutting balls with english this way, through C-E. If you want to argue with me, argue THAT.

As I've said to you before, several times--without your ever responding once, EVERY pro who aims all their shots at the base of the cue ball than swerves to apply english is SWERVING their stroke. Do you really need me to name top pros who do thus? I need to NAME DROP pros who aim base-of-ball, just so YOU "understand"? You are simply using false attacks on my character instead of dealing with the three pool greats--anatomy, physics and geometry.

So was your problem this time reading comprehension or dishonesty? HONESTLY, one (or both) of those is YOUR problem.

 

[BilliardsAbout]

If AB is the vertical axis, how is CD even a swipe? It is just a vertical move on the same axis. Or is the vertical axis somewhere less obvious than str8 up and down in your diagram? Lil confusing.

The diagram is a cue ball viewed from above, the ceiling above the table.

 

[BilliardsAbout]

Okay, now I have watched it and see that Ronnie spoke of the difficulty of a pure center strike. Then I recall Stephen Hendry demonstrates how to practice the pure center strike by banking the cue ball from the head spot to the foot rail and back to the cue tip. In his demonstration he hits it so perfectly that the ball hits the tip and then the spin takes it right back at the tip after a short rebound. Even Stephen was amazed.
My take on the video is that it's good but not Absolute. Some good stuff there but for guidance on the grip Barry Stark provides the best instruction.

I dislike that "test" because so many tables have poor rails that do not return the ball straight back.

 

[gregcantrall]

I dislike that "test" because so many tables have poor rails that do not return the ball straight back.

Oh gosh.....thank you, I am having a giggle fest. You open with a disclaimer. Too Rich.
Still giggles but head shaking. Okay I shook loose an appropriate memory. My Scotch Doubles partner and I were awarded T-shirts. Well for being the first couple out of the tournament. Excuse shirts is the appropriate name.
The table rolls off
The chalk is too.....anything
The sun was in my eyes.
On and on with at least a dozen.
So uh Skippy try the challenge and give yourself a grade. I could care less what it is. Try it every morning for a week. Uh as a morning fitness challenge of course if it's just too hard.....stay on the porch.

 

[WobblyStroke]

The diagram is a cue ball viewed from above, the ceiling above the table.

ok. but the cue in the pic is still throwing me off. Still looks like C to D is just str8 through the ball, just right of center. Ah, nm. I leave this to u n PJ.

I tried swiping. works. not any better than my reg way but works. I only use it on one type of extreme cut ala Earl. when you gotta 'spin it in'.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

To strike with 1/4" tip of english...

What does 1/4" tip mean? 1/4 tip? Or do you even know?

...using a 12 mm tip, a 58-inch cue must be turned 3 millimeters.

What does turned 3 millimeters mean? Angle the cue so the tip points 3 millimeters off center, I suppose...

EVERY pro who aims all their shots at the base of the cue ball than swerves to apply english is SWERVING their stroke.

Oh, so now it's a swerve stroke? And, by the way, every pro who addresses the CB (not "aims their shots") at its base, then hits it somewhere else is not swerving their stroke.

An "instructor" should have better understanding of the game and better language skills.

pj
chgo

 

[WobblyStroke]

Oh gosh.....thank you, I am having a giggle fest. You open with a disclaimer. Too Rich.
Still giggles but head shaking. Okay I shook loose an appropriate memory. My Scotch Doubles partner and I were awarded T-shirts. Well for being the first couple out of the tournament. Excuse shirts is the appropriate name.
The table rolls off
The chalk is too.....anything
The sun was in my eyes.
On and on with at least a dozen.
So uh Skippy try the challenge and give yourself a grade. I could care less what it is. Try it every morning for a week. Uh as a morning fitness challenge of course if it's just too hard.....stay on the porch.

He not wrong tho... for SOME tables. Bert Kinister demonstrated this with a stint meter (lil ramp for the ball) that def didn't have english on the ball. His issue was that the diamonds are sometimes misaligned and tho imperceptible to the naked eye, the ball don't lie. Cushion issues are another reason.

Still...you can avoid the whole mess by just habitually (better word than always) playing a trace of side like Ronnie, Siegel, and Earl.

 

[gregcantrall]

Still...you can avoid the whole mess by just habitually (better word than always) playing a trace of side like Ronnie, Siegel, and Earl.

I like to think of it as flavoring. Even the application of flavoring needs to be precise. It's not very far between Plumb dead nuts and the dreaded Raspberry.

 

[WobblyStroke]

I like to think of it as flavoring. Even the application of flavoring needs to be precise. It's not very far between Plumb dead nuts and the dreaded Raspberry.

One day I will be able to understand what you talking about. For today, I'll just enjoy the fact that it kinda sounds good even tho I have no idea what you mean. Palatial Regalia.

 

[gregcantrall]

One day I will be able to understand what you talking about. For today, I'll just enjoy the fact that it kinda sounds good even tho I have no idea what you mean. Palatial Regalia.

Who was it that said, " if you can't dazzle with brilliance, baffle with bullshit. "

 

[BilliardsAbout]

What does 1/4" tip mean? 1/4 tip? Or do you even know?


What does turned 3 millimeters mean? Angle the cue so the tip points 3 millimeters off center, I suppose...


Oh, so now it's a swerve stroke? And, by the way, every pro who addresses the CB (not "aims their shots") at its base, then hits it somewhere else is not swerving their stroke.

An "instructor" should have better understanding of the game and better language skills.

pj
chgo

THANK YOU SO MUCH for addressing the auto-correct inch mark, . . . " .

And yes, your math is better than your "english" (haha) as 3mm is 1/4 of 12mm. Well done!

Now address my points of fact. Less adjustment for aim, no bridge hand sliding. Or stop whining and go away.

 

[BilliardsAbout]

ok. but the cue in the pic is still throwing me off. Still looks like C to D is just str8 through the ball, just right of center. Ah, nm. I leave this to u n PJ.

I tried swiping. works. not any better than my reg way but works. I only use it on one type of extreme cut ala Earl. when you gotta 'spin it in'.

Earl has said "we pros spin it for most shots", which is interesting to ponder . . .

PJ and I agree. Parallel english (move both hands over to strike straight forward through C-D) isn't helpful, too much squirt and other issues.

PJ and I agree. A lot of strong players leave their hand bridge in place and pivot the stroke hand for english only, to strike straight through C-E.

Here's what I'm adding, one may choose backhand english in two other ways, presetting at the top of the backswing or swerving (not as Dr. Dave describes the unhelpful upper arm movement, but simple, subtle wrist supination or pronation) to turn the cue diagonally then thrust it forward through C-D (not "parallel english"). Compare and contrast "parallel" with a "twist" stroke, below:

"Brooming a diagonally turned cue turned forward" makes application of english lovely, with benefits minus issues from parallel and pivot.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Less adjustment for aim

If you put the same amount of spin on the CB your cue squirts the same amount. What matters for both (for the umpteenth time) is the direction the tip is traveling at contact, not the cue's angle or the path it took to get there.

...stop whining and go away.

Start making sense or stop pretending to be an "instructor".

pj
chgo

 

[Patrick Johnson]

...turn the cue diagonally then thrust it forward through C-D (not "parallel english").

The tip moving parallel to the shot line at contact is the definition of "parallel english". Again (how many times now?), what matters is the direction of the tip's movement, not the cue's angle.

"Brooming a diagonally turned cue turned forward" makes application of english lovely, with benefits minus issues from parallel and pivot.

Still utter nonsense. You can't even perform the stroke you think you're describing.

pj
chgo

 

[gregcantrall]

seems to me after a quick look at the first 2 innings of ronnie
that he pauses more on power and delicate shots
also noted he broke left handed ????

I have gone back to enjoy the match again. At the 7 minute mark Ronnie switches to Lefty without comment.
At one time Ronnie predicted a 147 left handed. In the video with Stephen Hendry on his cuetips channel, Stephen asks Ronnie if he has a left handed maximum and Ronnie says no the furthest he has got is to the green.

 

[gregcantrall]

I have gone back to enjoy the match again. At the 7 minute mark Ronnie switches to Lefty without comment.
At one time Ronnie predicted a 147 left handed. In the video with Stephen Hendry on his cuetips channel, Stephen asks Ronnie if he has a left handed maximum and Ronnie says no the furthest he has got is to the green.

OK at the 21:30 mark his left handed shot is commented. Un Natural is included in the assessment, well Right after, "such an advantage." Shrug
Edit: I misunderstood sounds like So natural on review.

 

[buckshotshoey]

Who was it that said, " if you can't dazzle with brilliance, baffle with bullshit. "

Bewilder with brilliance.

 

[gregcantrall]

Bewilder with brilliance.

Confuse them with the facts is my favorite strategy.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Earl has said "we pros spin it for most shots", which is interesting to ponder . . .

PJ and I agree. Parallel english (move both hands over to strike straight forward through C-D) isn't helpful, too much squirt and other issues.

PJ and I agree. A lot of strong players leave their hand bridge in place and pivot the stroke hand for english only, to strike straight through C-E.

Here's what I'm adding, one may choose backhand english in two other ways, presetting at the top of the backswing or swerving (not as Dr. Dave describes the unhelpful upper arm movement, but simple, subtle wrist supination or pronation) to turn the cue diagonally then thrust it forward through C-D (not "parallel english"). Compare and contrast "parallel" with a "twist" stroke, below:

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"Brooming a diagonally turned cue turned forward" makes application of english lovely, with benefits minus issues from parallel and pivot.

It's not going to matter what you post from now and forever. You are totally screwed due to the lemming tribe. When the head
lemming posts his decree, then all of the others follow whether it's jumping over a cliff into the sea or pecking away on a daily basis until you just go away or die. You won't be the first, that's for sure. Identification of the King and followers is pretty evident
as long as the thread stays alive, and you post. The first time started 26 years ago with Hal Houle and then those who followed. Hal, what he created, and those who followed will live forever. Well beyond the life of the lemming tribe. You won't be so lucky. Just sayin'.

 

[gregcantrall]

It's not going to matter what you post from now and forever. You are totally screwed due to the lemming tribe. When the head
lemming posts his decree, then all of the others follow whether it's jumping over a cliff into the sea or pecking away on a daily basis until you just go away or die. You won't be the first, that's for sure. Identification of the King and followers is pretty evident
as long as the thread stays alive and you post.

If he stops posting do I get a share of the Points? :wink