What Do You Look For in a Pool Instructor

BasementDweller said:
I think PJ is pointing out that the logic is still flawed.
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His logic and knowledge is flawed.
BasementDweller said:
I think the difference may be mechanical. In pool you pretty much have the same stroke and just adjust the speed. You really don't ever want to pull or push your stroke closer to or away from your body. Not a golfer, but it seems clear that top level golf includes manipulating the club face. If this is true, focusing on only potentially opening or closing the club face would at least intuitively make sense to me.
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That can take place and work. The other is the club head PATH which a skilled golfer can control. The clubhead path and clubface can be coming into the ball from outside to in or inside to out. A skilled golfer controls that along with the clubface position.
Do you play golf? Have you ever?
 
SpiderWebComm said:
Here's another example. Golfer is aiming at the dead center of the fairway trying to hit a straight shot. His clubhead path or club face position at impact can cause it to go either left or right if open or closed. He only has 1/2 of the fairway to the left or right to hit, otherwise it's in the rough. If he aims at the left or right side of the fairway and has the skills to move it to the left or right while blocking out one side or the other, he has the entire fairway to play with if it's a miss.
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Ha. Nice. I was actually typing out the same edit to my post when you posted yours.
You get it.
 
BilliardsAbout said:
You've not been rude.

My peer comment was directed at others, not you.

I play for money although I make sure I have an absolute lock first, but my wallet serves a family!
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Thanks for the giggles again. You definitely are an entertainer.
The absolute lock brings back a funny memory. So off I go down memory lane: It was a Friday night in Chico. I was in the one table bar next to the down under room called Team Players(I think). Anyway I asked a student to play for money. His response was, "oh I don't gamble." Which I can respect. However an hour later after I had left the wife behind and gone to check out next door. I returned to find them playing for $5 a game.
The happy ending comes next door as it was 2 am and the bar closed but the room locked the alcohol and stayed open all night. I shamed the young man into a $10 game as my wife had given him $20. So at closing time my recreational funds were exhausted so I stopped at the bank across the street and loaded a 10 round clip. $100. However my delay gave the youngster a chance to duck. I walked in to find him in a discussion and he immediately tells me he can't play me as he's gonna play this guy. My response was, "Well if it's about the money, let's play for $20." The other guy immediately pops in with, "I will play you for 50." Game on and I had 2 barrels now. He won the first and third games. Then I proced to bust him at $650.
The rest of the story is, two people I didn't know swung by and whispered, "beat this guy he's a drug dealer." At home that evening I told the wife, "with people I didn't know telling me 'he's a drug dealer' he won't be on the street much longer." Sure enough I got another 100 Sunday but had to leave early. Monday he started a stay in the Many Bar Hotel.
And that's the truth. :P
 
BasementDweller said:
I think PJ is pointing out that the logic is still flawed. I think the difference may be mechanical. In pool you pretty much have the same stroke and just adjust the speed. You really don't ever want to pull or push your stroke closer to or away from your body. Not a golfer, but it seems clear that top level golf includes manipulating the club face. If this is true, focusing on only potentially opening or closing the club face would at least intuitively make sense to me.
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The logic for why golf shots are played this way is not flawed lol.
How this relates to pool .... I can see the confusion. The entire point when heading down this path was that there are advantages to knowing which side of the ball you will strike on. We just got going on the golf side for whatever reason. Slow work days lol.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
His logic and knowledge is flawed.

That can take place and work. The other is the club head PATH which a skilled golfer can control. The clubhead path and clubface can be coming into the ball from outside to in or inside to out. A skilled golfer controls that along with the clubface position.
Do you play golf? Have you ever?
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"Not a golfer." Have played very little.

***BilliardsAbout***
That's how you answer a simple question.
 
WobblyStroke said:
No. Nicklaus almost never missed left. That's the point. His 'miss' was a straight shot along his initial line of aim. His expected shot was a fade away to the right. While the overall dispersion may end up the same, by playing the curve he takes away the miss to the left.

SpiderWebComm said:
Here's another example. Golfer is aiming at the dead center of the fairway trying to hit a straight shot. His clubhead path or club face position at impact can cause it to go either left or right if open or closed. He only has 1/2 of the fairway to the left or right to hit, otherwise it's in the rough. If he aims at the left or right side of the fairway and has the skills to move it to the left or right while blocking out one side or the other, he has the entire fairway to play with if it's a miss.
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Jack Nicklaus is 83 years old. Ideas on how to play the game as well as equipment specs have changed since his days of playing. Players are now hitting the ball farther and straighter, and that's by choice, not by accident.
 
FranCrimi said:
Jack Nicklaus is 83 years old. Ideas on how to play the game as well as equipment specs have changed since his days of playing. Players are now hitting the ball farther and straighter, and that's by choice, not by accident.
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The golf ball has had a lot to do with it. The hotness of the ball as well as the aerodynamics in the dimpling. There's now talk about reeling the distances back on the golf ball itself. It's making a lot of the older great golf courses somewhat benign.

Another factor is physical conditioning. PGA pro golfers today are spending a good bit of time in the gym working on strength, speed, and flexibility. Way back when, the round would be over and they'd head out for some drinks, dinner, and yapping.
Some would show up the next morning hung over and wobbly. Not now! Too much money at stake.
The winner of Jack Nicklaus' Memorial Tournament this last weekend earned $3.6 million!
Not bad for four days of work. Or is it "play"?
 
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My Program would be appropriate name, Kicks Like A Mule. Nothing more fun than the wipe off of the smug look. My opponent all smug playing a safety with an open table. Then the 2/3 rail kick, that Scores. :shrug power full tool.
The shots that break down the weaker players real fast.
 
I guess chapter 2 would be Stalk the Table. The attitude and maintenance of is paramount. "Get Your Head Up!" Could be the difference. The look on Ronnie's face at the telling. Gives instructor lessons. Show me a True instructor that doesn't welcome lessons. Cliff Thorburn gave one of those looks at Stephen telling, "cueball last "...
 
WobblyStroke said:
Ha. Nice. I was actually typing out the same edit to my post when you posted yours.
You get it.
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I'll be running some classes on "speed thinking" and "speed posting" on internet forums.
Would you prefer one on one training or a group session? :cool:

I'm also considering "how not to get banned when taking it to the edge", but by the time I finish it I might be banned. :devilish: 🤣
 
The first thing that jumped out at me, watching Efren at the Reno Sands. First year.. .'85 or 6.
Was the precision of his kick shots was a level above. Well not just the kicks but the absolute cue ball control which he gained looking object ball last. I however can only approach the level looking at exactly where I want the scalpel to penetrate the white.
 
WobblyStroke said:
While the overall dispersion may end up the same, by playing the curve he takes away the miss to the left.
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Then, since the "overall dispersion" is the same, he must miss more to the right. It can't be any other way - if you disagree you're disagreeing with geometry and logic, not with me.

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Being able to shoot equally well with either hand......is like having a 2 person team. In battle I have made the kill shot with Lefty and had it pointed out at the end and only confirm by looking at the hands, as I had no thought of it. Just which feels right for the shot
 
Instructors need to always learn. Well my recent dental surgery was put off for the surgeon to learn something. I sure didn't mind. I would suspect any Instructors that are more set on defense of methods, than seeking modification. Shoot Ronnie speaks to always explore tweekks.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
if you disagree you're disagreeing with geometry and logic, not with me.
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LMAO. Mr. Spock has spoken.

May I say that I have not thoroughly enjoyed serving with humans? I find their illogic and foolish emotions a constant irritant.” – Star Trek, season 3, episode 7 (“Day of the Dove,” 1968)

Yo, PJ...you're totally clueless with this as well as other things for almost 3 decades. The only time you were ever wrong was when
you "thought" you were wrong.
 
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