What do you think about parallel aiming

Some peeps were adamant about parallel english being impossible or really some criminal act or something.
I don't believe it's really possible to play good pool using "real" parallel english, because it would limit the choices of tip offset, speed and butt elevation too much.

Even if it wasn't too limiting, I don't believe it's really easier to choose the right combination of those variables for each different shot than it is to choose the right aim line to compensate for them.

It's hard to see exactly where the stick is aimed, especially with a fixed belief about it - and the subconscious can easily "intervene" to make us do something subtly (or not so subtly) different than we think we're doing ("steering" our stroke).

In other words, I think parallel english is theoretically possible but rarely actually accomplished, and certainly not consistently.

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:smile:I don't think so,and some of the greatest players in the world neither !
But,I appreicate everybody has right on his own opinion.
 
If two cues have different amounts of deflection, then how can you use the same aiming system for both cues?

When you have arrived at the right aiming point for one cue, it will not be the correct aiming point using the other cue.

So what exactly are you trying to say?
 
I don't say you have to aim exatly the same with two different cues,but that you have to be upright on the cueball,what sometimes could be hard.Thanks
 
But,the most of players are not upright on the cueball on the most of english shots and with that kind of stroke they are unable to give maximum and you cannot do things which you can when you are upright(vertical) on cueball.Ofcourse,as hit is harder deflection is bigger too.It is feeling but it is knowledge,too.There is line of max deflection,and it could help you if you use max deflection in every shot.As most of Philipino do.They have different stance though.Open stance.Anyway,it is hard for the eye to stay beyond the spot where you aim and to aim in not properly spot at the object ball.Sometimes,you even aim outside of all object ball.
 
I am poolplayer for biger part of my life who knows a lot about the game.I practice other people and advanced players too.Anyway, I played profesionally to,and I am friend with some world top players.So,as I am big pool enthusiast,I talk to many of them on this specific topics.They are different from one to other but the the meaning is same.Most of them say that most often mistakes are in aiming not upfront on cueball during english shots.Also,many say that all of best 100 players play that way but are unable to play the same on both side of table,because of the eye,stance and some other things.It is hard to make shots with equal quality on left and right side.For the most of players.Always is one side better than the other
 
I am confused as shit, but very interested. I am hoping someone who speaks a little better english (not trying to insult OP) can come in and explain this.
 
If two cues have different amounts of deflection, then how can you use the same aiming system for both cues?

When you have arrived at the right aiming point for one cue, it will not be the correct aiming point using the other cue.

So what exactly are you trying to say?

As is always the case, you first have to find out what the deflection characteristics of the cue are. Where is the correct pivot point for each cue? Once you know that, you can simply use BHE. NO ONE can take two vastly different cues and make an extreme english shot with both of them on the first try.
 
I guess if I read it right... you need to stand upright a little, so you can see the real line your cue ball will take (the line after english makes it deflect sideways a little). This will help with aiming the shot, especially a firm shot where the ball has no chance to swerve back to your original aiming line.

To be honest I haven't tried it, but I'm one of the lucky left-handed players. I will try standing up a little on heavy spin shots to see if it helps my aiming.

About your example, cue ball frozen to left rail, object ball frozen to the same long rail...

I think most books recommend you aim a little away from the rail (aim to the right a little) and use a little low left english, and hit softly. The cue ball moves away from the rail a bit (and misses the side pocket). But then it curves back towards the rail and sinks the object ball.
 
Yes,but it is possible to make that shot with strong shot with right english as well.Because of deflection.You have to aim almost the same as you would like to make thin cut.So,shot is possible to make with both english and with right it is possible because of deflection.I can do that shot when I am in dead stroke.
Vertical means when you have 90 degrees angle with you cue on the cueball.Even on english shots.I hope this helps
 
You don't curve your cue when you play english.You have to move all your hand left or right,not just curve the cue what many players do
 
Jimmy Reid answer this please

Please answer this for everyonethanks,
Shoudn't this be normal or?I believe here is the key for high level playing!!!And it is one of the most important fiels in pool game,I think.
Most of pool players are not vertical(upright) on most of shots,especially on shots with english.Also,there are many mistakes when angles are tough and when is hard to judge when you are vertical on cueball.
Have you ever seen bad player preparing for tough shots with lots of english,and you just know he will make the shot.You just see he is in right line,and you know he will make.Also,have you ever seen worldclass player preparing for easy shots and you could see he is gonna miss it???!!!
BUT WHEN YOU NOTICED THOSE SITUATION THEN, YOU HAVEN'T KNOWN TO EXPLAIN WHY YOU THINK HE WILL MAKE OR MISS THE SHOT.
From my point of viewwhen I start feeling parallel aiming I cannot miss any shot at all.Nor easy,nor hard.Even when I played hard I cannot mis anything.
What do you think???
 
Please answer this is the right question Jimmy Reid

Please answer this is the right question Jimmy Reid
I thought that some would know.Anyway,it is tecnique of aiming.It is a high level pool,if you play right way.It is one of the most important things in pool and hardest to learn wrightly.There are no many people,players talk about it and no many play that way.You could hear something about in one old pool school DVD from Jim Rempe and Loree Jon Jones(POWER POOl).They said few words and show it on the table and explaine a little.
So.when you aim in the center of cueball for example, your dominant eye is under the center of the cueball.When you shot english,eye should be under the place where you aiming english,not center.But because cueball curves because of english, it moves out of line of aiming and 1/10 seconds after comes back on that line.Depend of stroke and power.So,because all that it is hard to accomplish that.Imagine this,cueball is on the breaking line at the center and you are aiming with left english into a rack.You would hit the rack at your right side of the rack.Because playing left english you push cueball into a right side.Playing right english you are pushing the cueball to the left.Unless,you play very easy.
So,when you aim cueball your stroke line has to be straight.How it could be straight you have to bee upright(or vertical) on cuebal.So, when do you play english your cue during aiming and especially shooting has to be straight,vertical,upright on cueball.But it is very hard to accomplish that and from some angles you cannot see properly when you are upright.So,the most of players don't do this.Those who do are on higher level.Left handed players have it most often naturally.Everything with this techinque is easier.Balls are pocketing easier because they rotate in direction to pocket(ahead rotation) and fall easier in pockets.Cueball has more power than and you can play angles with cueball you never thought you will be able to play.If you look some of the very best players you can see everything I am talking right now and if you look more carefully you will notice cueball is moving way different.
Because of curving cueball during english your eye and brain started to be confused unless you are not used on it.Because, of english and aimining system your dominant eye isn't aiming the place where should hit the object ball but the other spot and that confused brain and eye.Depend on your stroke is how much cueball are going to curve.As better you are your stroke is more consistent and than curving line is more consistent as well.
It is hard topic!!!!But believe me it is one of most important and it will take you in parallel universe when you feel it.
I'll give you one question!!!!!
Imagine!!!You look pool table from above.Cueball is on the left rail on the break line frozen.Object ball is at the same rail frozen but on the other side of table,where rack is.Both balls are in line. and frozen to the rail.Middle pocket is between them.So,what are you options????You have to make the object ball.Both balls are frozen to a rail..How can you make this shot???Which english have to play????Could you make the shot with both of english????What are your opinios??????I am very curious to see how do you thing guys and what do you know.Anway,whith using of these aiming methods you become aware of what you can do on a pool table.It is like learning.You learned everything,but you don't understand the topic actually.You did memorize memorized it all,but not necceasary understand it.But,once when you understand it,it becomes yours for all life and gives you more oportunity in every next shot.Actually,it is hard to explain but when you catch it it is a new dimension,for sure.
WHAT ARE YOUR CONSIDERATIONS???
 
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