What effect will this have on other cumakers and cueowners...since alot of people have them not made by sledgehammer and alot of cuemakers make their jump break cues this way...
What Does the new patton on the Phelonic ferrelle/Tip by sledgehammer mean !!?
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Makes not much difference at all. Had a meeting with Scott from Fury this weekend...basically no one cares. Two many ways around the issue. Simply make them 2pc. as I often do...then what? I don't think Mike G has the funding to fight my and 100 other makers attorneys in court. First of all...he didn't invent it. I was the first to use an Aegis tip on the fiber ferrule. Janis even outlawed Varney j/b's with "white" tips, long before anyone heard of a sledgehammer with phenolic. I have documented proof.
I personally prefer the white unbreakable ferrule with the canvas resin tip threaded in anyway. Fury is using carbon fiber now with their one piece instead of phenolic anyway. You can even use the 1pc. in question as long as its pressure fitted instead of threaded...way too many loopholes. Best Mike can do is try to scare off a few newer, unknowing makers.
Anyone who has a Varney with the 1pc....if it bothers you...send it back to me I'll upgrade it to Iv4 & canvas...no charge. I stand behind my work.
I personally prefer the white unbreakable ferrule with the canvas resin tip threaded in anyway. Fury is using carbon fiber now with their one piece instead of phenolic anyway. You can even use the 1pc. in question as long as its pressure fitted instead of threaded...way too many loopholes. Best Mike can do is try to scare off a few newer, unknowing makers.
Anyone who has a Varney with the 1pc....if it bothers you...send it back to me I'll upgrade it to Iv4 & canvas...no charge. I stand behind my work.
mooseman said:
Men in black suits from the US Patent Office will be visiting all US pool rooms undercover as inconspicuous black suited hustlers. If they catch you using a non-sledgehammer cue with a one-piece ferrule, they will confiscate the cue and arrest you on the spot.
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Ha ha ha ..yes i meant "patent" not Patton...it was late and i was tired..
I was just curious..i went to the us open and say the big display about it...and Mr. Varney ....I dont want to change a thing about your cue...i went to Qmasters this Sat and let a few people break with my Varney Cue and man...i had offers coming left and right to purchase it even with my name on it.....ha ha ..so i just handed out your business cards... I have to say I played league last night and broke with it... it broke so well and spread the balls so good that once again... 2 racks run ...beat my player in only 8 innings ...boy was he pissed... shook my hand and said.."how the hell are you a still a 5, Im the division rep for this room and your gona be a 8 next week." I have had two good night against his team...broke and run two racks against another player on their team and one in 6 or 7 innings....although I am getting tired of hearing the word "Sandbagger" under people's breath AWSOME CUE KEVIN...
Maybe it was watching all those US OPEN matches that made me just kick it into another Gear...
Ha ha ha ..yes i meant "patent" not Patton...it was late and i was tired..
I was just curious..i went to the us open and say the big display about it...and Mr. Varney ....I dont want to change a thing about your cue...i went to Qmasters this Sat and let a few people break with my Varney Cue and man...i had offers coming left and right to purchase it even with my name on it.....ha ha ..so i just handed out your business cards... I have to say I played league last night and broke with it... it broke so well and spread the balls so good that once again... 2 racks run ...beat my player in only 8 innings ...boy was he pissed... shook my hand and said.."how the hell are you a still a 5, Im the division rep for this room and your gona be a 8 next week." I have had two good night against his team...broke and run two racks against another player on their team and one in 6 or 7 innings....although I am getting tired of hearing the word "Sandbagger" under people's breath AWSOME CUE KEVIN...
Maybe it was watching all those US OPEN matches that made me just kick it into another Gear...
quitecoolguy said:
Honestly...this is more true than you realize. Your brain is a very powerful tool...once fed the correct info on how pool is suppose to be really played...it will make adjustments in your game. Plus you should pick up little things like...not rushing, walk into your shot, preshot routine, staying down after hitting the cueball, etc. I know every time I go play/watch a big tourney...my game turns it up a notch. If all your brain ever sees is league action...7 or 9 speed is going to be the limit...if you're talented. But when feeding your brain world class pool...you'll see the difference. When horrible people play & and I have to be present....I try not to watch. Buy some Pat Fleming Accustat tapes and watch those everynight as you drift off to sleep...do this for a month, or longer....you'll be absolutely AMAZED at how much your brain will pick up...and you'll play much, much better!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it doesn't seem like anything like tip/ferrules (or combinations thereof) can be pattent-able. The whole question of tip/ferrule patents seems insanely ridiculous to me.
I haven't had much patent experience but having spoken with patent attorneys when looking into trying to patent things with past business partners, and I understand that you can't patent something purely because the application is different -- it's got to show some sort of new technology involved. And I don't even see how Gulyassy's patent makes any sense in that regard (and as a sidenote, is it just me or was that patent written by a 4th grader?)
SW
I haven't had much patent experience but having spoken with patent attorneys when looking into trying to patent things with past business partners, and I understand that you can't patent something purely because the application is different -- it's got to show some sort of new technology involved. And I don't even see how Gulyassy's patent makes any sense in that regard (and as a sidenote, is it just me or was that patent written by a 4th grader?)
SW
Varney Cues said:Honestly...this is more true than you realize. Your brain is a very powerful tool...once fed the correct info on how pool is suppose to be really played...it will make adjustments in your game. Plus you should pick up little things like...not rushing, walk into your shot, preshot routine, staying down after hitting the cueball, etc. I know every time I go play/watch a big tourney...my game turns it up a notch. If all your brain ever sees is league action...7 or 9 speed is going to be the limit...if you're talented. But when feeding your brain world class pool...you'll see the difference. When horrible people play & and I have to be present....I try not to watch. Buy some Pat Fleming Accustat tapes and watch those everynight as you drift off to sleep...do this for a month, or longer....you'll be absolutely AMAZED at how much your brain will pick up...and you'll play much, much better!
sledgehammer patent
i think the patent was ingenious........just unbelievable to me that he didn't patent the maple shaft while he was doing it..........presently my lawyer and i are in the process of getting a patent on the irish linen wrap.........
i think the patent was ingenious........just unbelievable to me that he didn't patent the maple shaft while he was doing it..........presently my lawyer and i are in the process of getting a patent on the irish linen wrap.........
StevenPWaldon said:
Here is a discussion of what is patentable under U. S. law. Mike's patent passes all the tests, IMHO.
What's truly "insanely ridiculous" is the patentability of living organisms! For example,
Monsanto has a patent on a genetically-engineered strain of grain that resists herbicides. Farmers cannot save grain from one year's harvest to plant the next year. They must buy new seed from Monsanto.
California-based Allerca has bred a hypoallergenic cat. It's patented. If one of these critters rapes your cat, any resulting kittens that you may keep or sell violate Allerca's patent.
Life should not be patentable.
Funny
From various sources. Gullasy(sp) was not the originator of the break tip that is used on the sledgehammers. The original design came from another cue maker in which it was than (call it like you want to) stolen, copied, made his own. Now this is second hand word of mouth from more than one cue maker. And believe it or not all the stories were very similiar. Hummmmmmm? Now I am not trying to bash or bad mouth Gullasy, but it truly does make you wonder. His Sledgehammers do break well and perform flawlessly at their task, but the patent thing is just rediculous.
Now cues have been around much longer than Gullasy has been alive. Cues started out being nothing but wood to hit the ball. Than transformed to having a ferrule added to stop the wood from splitting. Than to add traction a leather tip was added. Now somewhere around the late 70's early 80" Strickland was one of the first to start jumping balls in competition. Was his tip modified to do this than? Possibly. Now with some of this information you can see that all of his so called patent is in question. Now has he invented something new? My answer is no. Is the leather inserted phenolic ferrule something that he invented? Once again no. Now is he ingenious for getting a patent? Yes. Would the patent hold up in court? NO!!!
From various sources. Gullasy(sp) was not the originator of the break tip that is used on the sledgehammers. The original design came from another cue maker in which it was than (call it like you want to) stolen, copied, made his own. Now this is second hand word of mouth from more than one cue maker. And believe it or not all the stories were very similiar. Hummmmmmm? Now I am not trying to bash or bad mouth Gullasy, but it truly does make you wonder. His Sledgehammers do break well and perform flawlessly at their task, but the patent thing is just rediculous.
Now cues have been around much longer than Gullasy has been alive. Cues started out being nothing but wood to hit the ball. Than transformed to having a ferrule added to stop the wood from splitting. Than to add traction a leather tip was added. Now somewhere around the late 70's early 80" Strickland was one of the first to start jumping balls in competition. Was his tip modified to do this than? Possibly. Now with some of this information you can see that all of his so called patent is in question. Now has he invented something new? My answer is no. Is the leather inserted phenolic ferrule something that he invented? Once again no. Now is he ingenious for getting a patent? Yes. Would the patent hold up in court? NO!!!
Snap9 said:
No, it wasn't and from what I understand specialized jump cues pi$$ him off, because he can jump with anything and thinks it's cheating for somebody to use a specialized cue.
I think Brunswick and Rambow, may have beat you to it.hanshewcustom-q said:
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Like it or not, I wouldn't come on a billiard forum and humiliate Mike. Nor would I make fun of his patent. You never know what's going to happen. As I understand it, if you lose in court, you will have to pay his legal fees yourself. So go for it guys. It is your cazz you are puttting on the line.
The man has a lot on his mind right now, with losing his dad, familey problems and what not. You ever corner a racoon. Do yourself a favor, don't try it! I honestly hope everything works out for everybody!!!!
JMHO Purdman
The man has a lot on his mind right now, with losing his dad, familey problems and what not. You ever corner a racoon. Do yourself a favor, don't try it! I honestly hope everything works out for everybody!!!!
JMHO Purdman
Eddie Prewitt's 747 jumper?Snap9 said:
Eddie's 747 came out in the 80's and was banned by BCA.
